More sad news for FS9...

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Felixthreeone

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Lionheart announced ne Epic VLJ will be FSX only..
FSD announced Cirrus Vision jet FSX only.....

.....I am deeply disappointed....and hope that we don't lose any more FS9 developers; There are many nice products that are being made for FSX...however, after seeing some of them in action (i had installed fsx to check a few of them out) I wonder what the big deal is....i dont see much of a difference from fs9 to x...i dont need rivets and so on...just a quality fde and a functioning vc...and smooth fluid performance. So if poly counts and details so minute are the important things in FS, I think I have been missing the boat the whole time. I always thought it was about....flying? Sorry for ranting but as of right now i am losing my patience with this whole ridiculous fs thing...
 
Why be sad? It only means they do not want or need to have a wide market to sell to for little money, but prefer to sell to few ones FOR A LOT OF CASH. :rolleyes:

To all those who abandon a ship that works better than the other they jump in, I say "good riddance" and "may you have to file for bankruptcy soon". :)
 
The developers have a choice for what sim they want to build, and consumers have a choice what to buy or which sim to use. :mixedsmi:

With the higher poly count, better textures and more animations in FsX I can see why developers are making the move to FsX, especially a 'detail junkie' like Bill. I can understand that Bill doesn't want to reduce detail on his models to a point that it will work in Fs9, because this will mean an almost complete rebuild.
If you look at the forum visitors here, you will notice that the FsX forum on average has 3-4 times the visitors than the Fs9 forum at any time; two years ago that was the other way around.

If YOU made the choice to stick with Fs9 after you've tried FsX, that's your choice; don't complain that others decide otherwise. If you want to fly the latest aircraft, there's only one way to go.

And Ashaman: Thanks for those comments. My financial status is fine and I can run FsX on my computer very well, thank you. As for the 'Good riddance' comment, I have a button that can do that for you now if you keep up the smart comments.. :pop4:
 
I'm running FS9 because my computer can't run FSX well. To be honest, it chugs along with Bill's FS-9 planes (Eaglesofts too) but that's me. I don't begrudge Bill for making super detailed models. I know what it's like being a (former) developer myself. if you are doing it to supplement your income like Bill is, good for him. Consumers are always asking for higher and higher quality models that need more and more complex computers to run. It's smart marketing to sell to your target audience. While Carenendo is still doing FS9 planes (I'm glad) they stick to the lower tech aircraft that lend themselves to "back dating" to FS9.

Just my $0.02


Brian
 
Ashaman said:
Why be sad? It only means they do not want or need to have a wide market to sell to for little money, but prefer to sell to few ones FOR A LOT OF CASH. :rolleyes:

To all those who abandon a ship that works better than the other they jump in, I say "good riddance" and "may you have to file for bankruptcy soon". :)
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Very good philosophy, Ashaman. Congratulations.
 
I've seen too many developers that just plain quit because people think they're "entitled" to get what they want from people that do this because they simply enjoy it.

As for payware developers, the only time you get to dictate what they do is if you enter into a contract for a commissioned work. Otherwise, they get the same respect as freeware developers unless you've purchased a product and then have issues.

As a child so many years ago, I was taught that if you can't say something nice (or at least useful), SHUT UP!
 
Well said Tom a ferry....


Now kindly tell Bill you are sorry...LOL :bump:
 
Tom Clayton said:
As a child so many years ago, I was taught that if you can't say something nice (or at least useful), SHUT UP!
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I second that.

Unfortunately most of the Internet's forums could be closed when we would take that as a firm rule :pop4:

My policy is to just ignore all the nay-sayers and impolite posters and 'go my own way'.
 
I understand those comments in the opening two posts here, and I can relate. But the world doesn't stop turning just because you turn out your lights and go to sleep. I enjoy FS2004. Being new to it as I am, I've got years of enjoyment to endure.

Of all the posts I've read, this part of the flight sim world has evolved and has been circling in existence very happily. Those developers who have stuck around are all great assets to this particular state of virtual reality. Be thankful for them, and what they give to us to continue doing that. And to add to that, it's not just the developers that continue to add to your enjoyment. Myself, and many others that enjoy doing repaints, also continue to make FS2004 thrive. Even those who edit config files, make better sound packs, tweak and modify. That's for everyone's enjoyment!!!

Not meaning to offend anyone here. But if you don't like the what's put on the table, YOU DO THE COOKING!!
 
Fleetwood Mac put it the best, "You can go your own way!"

However, I don't think it's too cool to wish negative sh** on people. I hate losing good developers, too, but it is their choice.

The day FS9 loses Carenado, I'll run for sharp objects. :d :d ;)
 
all i'll say is ... if you know Bill, you'll know it was an extremly hard decision for him to make :salute:
 
Please guys don't mistake what I am saying as me bashing them in any way....I am personally just very disappointed since the addons that they produce are very very good and I own them all...I am not saying ANYTHING fs9 versus FSX; All I am doing is expressing my personal feelings of frustration since I was looking forward to these products for my sim. I am not trying to start an argument. And I apologize to Bill and the FSD team as well if it sounded as though I was. My bad.
 
Stitz would be correct; must have been a hard call for Bill to make - especially as his primary sim is FS9. The Victory was his first "contracted" project where to expedite delivery he's used third party developers. That would push up his cost & presumably he'd have had to decide whether redeveloping the model for FS9 (effectively a start again task) would be justified by the return. FSD must have been in the same boat with the Cirrus. Guess there's not enough of us buying new releases for FS9 anymore. Ah well, I've got way more aircraft than I can ever fly and I'm very happy with FS9. And there's still freeware coming out all the time. I'll be happy until whatever the next FS is arrives.

LPXO
 
Felixthreeone said:
Please guys don't mistake what I am saying as me bashing them in any way....I am personally just very disappointed since the addons that they produce are very very good and I own them all...I am not saying ANYTHING fs9 versus FSX; All I am doing is expressing my personal feelings of frustration since I was looking forward to these products for my sim. I am not trying to start an argument. And I apologize to Bill and the FSD team as well if it sounded as though I was. My bad.
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just my take on this;
I see nothing wrong with your comments, Felix.
many of us agree.
I, for one, can not afford to upgrade my system for FSX.
don't know if I ever will.
there is no way that I can expect the rest of the world to stop
because I can't keep up with the advances in technology.
that's just the way it is.
as far as I'm concerned,
the beef is with the BS comments quoted below.
Ashman is the one who should be apologizing,
not you, Felixthreeone

Ashaman said:
Why be sad? It only means they do not want or need to have a wide market to sell to for little money, but prefer to sell to few ones FOR A LOT OF CASH. :rolleyes:

To all those who abandon a ship that works better than the other they jump in, I say "good riddance" and "may you have to file for bankruptcy soon". :)
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Felixthreeone said:
Please guys don't mistake what I am saying as me bashing them in any way....I am personally just very disappointed since the addons that they produce are very very good and I own them all...I am not saying ANYTHING fs9 versus FSX; All I am doing is expressing my personal feelings of frustration since I was looking forward to these products for my sim. I am not trying to start an argument. And I apologize to Bill and the FSD team as well if it sounded as though I was. My bad.
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We know and understand your frustration...We just poking fun at ya is all...

No harm was done , fom you or anyone towards Bill...He had a tough decission to make, his dinner depends on his abality to make a correct judgement call..As stated earlier..It was no doubt hard for him to decide...



I never thought you were launching a personal attach at anyone..Just a general..OH CRAP...What next...I understand that feeling all to well..
 
Just to add a bit about developers in general. If every developer freeware or payware had a payroll of 15 to 20 people working for them I suspect we might see more dual releases. After all, with that many people, one could afford to have one group working the FSX development and the other the FS9 development. Fact is, most, if not all of these guys are one man shops. They are also one man shops with regular jobs in most cases, so development is relegated to the evening hours and weekends if the wifey allows it.

I, for one would never put up with the frustrations that must go along with developing one highly detailed, all the systems must work as advertised, "how many variants are you going to include?", "will it have the intake screen included like the one I saw at an air show a couple years ago?" Addon. Oh and I almost forgot, "is it done yet, is it done yet. . .do you have a release date yet?".

Developers have the right to choose a platform and stay with it, for those reasons and many more that no one here knows about or cares about. Be disappointed if you want, vent your frustrations in a reasonable and respectable manner. Anything beyond that is unnecessary especially when you don't know the whole story.
 
falcon409 said:
Be disappointed if you want, vent your frustrations in a reasonable and respectable manner. Anything beyond that is unnecessary especially when you don't know the whole story.
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In 98% of all cases of disappointment and frustration, silence is golden.... it's just a flight sim. and the silence keeps em' guessing.

I fly both sims and I look at it this way: If a developer decides to produce his product for FSX only, that's cool by me. It sometimes means that his FS9 products could be had for a song. Not always the case, but sometimes. On the other side of the arguement, that developers FSX products will be even better, given the possibilities with that sim.

Even the darkest of clouds have a silver lining when it comes to FS.

Just my two bits.

BB686:USA-flag:
 
Ashaman said:
To all those who abandon a ship that works better than the other they jump in, I say "good riddance" and "may you have to file for bankruptcy soon". :)
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the thing is, most developers are making sooo much money, it's a wonder they ever produce anything at all after their first release. of course we've all heard the stories of their rockstar lifestyles. the women, the lavish mansions, garages full of exotic cars, etc. it's easy to hate those guys, especially when you see them on mtv cribs, hangin with snoop dog and maria carey, denzel washington, and the rest of the rich and powerful. it's a wonder how they sleep at night.
 
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