flyboyhunt05
Charter Member
Hmm... I think that the not allowing people to put out paints just killed it for me. Sad thing too, looked really nice.
Mustangs, Mustangs!
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Quicksand
SOH-CM-2023
This makes me very sad. I am no painter. I have, however paid Bomber to do some particular paints for me in the past. His work is well known here. I wouldn't think twice about paying Bomber in the future for texture sets for this beautiful creation, but barring others from freely distributing paints of their own seems like a bad idea to me. In my WW2 Fighters P-51 aircraft folder, I have over 140 repaints, done by Bomber and many other fine painters here at SOH. I think that if A2A had not allowed others to paint their plane, there would not be many repaints there other than those that came with the plane. Just my two pennies' worth. Now to climb back under my rock....
Smashing Time
Charter Member 2014
Let me add to the opinion that the no shared repaints policy stinks. I had been looking forward to uploading some new work here. I could understand a policy like MAAM's, of no presently flying schemes but this lacks foresight and yes I might pass on this also. Times are different aren't they? Our pocketbooks have already been robbed by the greed on Wall street and now we have to crimp and save. If you have to get that little extra BUCK for some in-house paint schemes just add to release price and be done with it.
Man it didn't take long for the temperature to go UP on this one did it :isadizzy:
Folks, I am in no way bashing anyone here and everyone is within their right to not purchase this package if they do not want to due to having to pay for repaints. While I am a little disappointed that I have to pay extra to get the Old Crow malcolm hood (I'd be satisfied with just it, Princess Elizabeth and Ina the Macon Belle) I'm not going to let their business decision keep me from purchasing what looks to be a great addon. With the little amount of time available for flightsimming 8 different paint schemes is more than I would ever get to fly. Maybe it's because I HATE painting that I'm not more po'd about this than most of you are, I enjoy flying the warbirds better than painting any day. If what they say is true on the site about the sounds, etc it really does sound like a good product.
Darrell :isadizzy:
Folks, I am in no way bashing anyone here and everyone is within their right to not purchase this package if they do not want to due to having to pay for repaints. While I am a little disappointed that I have to pay extra to get the Old Crow malcolm hood (I'd be satisfied with just it, Princess Elizabeth and Ina the Macon Belle) I'm not going to let their business decision keep me from purchasing what looks to be a great addon. With the little amount of time available for flightsimming 8 different paint schemes is more than I would ever get to fly. Maybe it's because I HATE painting that I'm not more po'd about this than most of you are, I enjoy flying the warbirds better than painting any day. If what they say is true on the site about the sounds, etc it really does sound like a good product.
Darrell :isadizzy:
Where is John himself?
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Cees
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Cees
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
Wow that is remarkably similar...but is there a business connection?? If yes,
I have wondered if Ariane made any money out of the 737. The cost was outrageous, and even then, getting it onto my HDD was the most convoluted process I had ever seen - having already taken my money, I essentially had to prove to them I was not a pirate!
Still, you have to admit it's tough on the vendor side of the flightsim business - not only is there rampant piracy, but the user base actually expects not to pay for their toys!
jankees
SOH-CM-2024
Interesting, the no repaints bit, especially coming from the general direction of someone who has always thrilled us with his repaints and beautiful paintkits.
I agree with Cees, where is John, this doesn't sound like him?
It reminds me a bit of an older P-51 model, by Shigeru or something, I don't remember. He didn't allow repaints of his (freeware) model either. Where is his model now? Part of the fun of this hobby is the fact that we can all work on things, and share them with each other. I'm still annoyed by the fact that there was no real paintkit for the Mossie, and the result is that I don't fly it at all. And they sell additional textures too..Too bad I can't give it away...
Here, there is nothing yet, but already we've been told what we can not do with it. Rather a negative approach, sort of spoils the fun for me, makes me a lot less wanting to buy this aircraft. As for the painting bit, I was looking forward to painting this baby, but it seems it is not to be. Too bad, but hey, it's his show. Let's all hope it will be worth your money.
I agree with Cees, where is John, this doesn't sound like him?
It reminds me a bit of an older P-51 model, by Shigeru or something, I don't remember. He didn't allow repaints of his (freeware) model either. Where is his model now? Part of the fun of this hobby is the fact that we can all work on things, and share them with each other. I'm still annoyed by the fact that there was no real paintkit for the Mossie, and the result is that I don't fly it at all. And they sell additional textures too..Too bad I can't give it away...
Here, there is nothing yet, but already we've been told what we can not do with it. Rather a negative approach, sort of spoils the fun for me, makes me a lot less wanting to buy this aircraft. As for the painting bit, I was looking forward to painting this baby, but it seems it is not to be. Too bad, but hey, it's his show. Let's all hope it will be worth your money.
Stickshaker
SOH-CM-2023
While I like downloadable repaints, there are already so many skins planned in the various packages that it’s quite enough for me. More is always better, but no must as far as I’m concerned. And paying for repaints? I'll only get the ones I really like, instead of downloading everything that looks like it might be nice (and I probably never will fly), as I often do with freeware. So the net difference in what I actually fly will not be all that big.
NC_Rotorhead
Members +
From what I have observed in the Sim Community is that a lot of the excitement of a new Add-On aircraft is the Paint Kit allowing us to make our own skins and to pass them around freely (giving credit of course). That creates BUZZ within the community and keeps that particular add-on alive and going for a long time with a GOOD word-of-mouth. So many P-51s produced and so many possibilities for repainters to excel...........
Greed just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. AKA wall street.
I'll now pass on this one.
Regards
Steve
Greed just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. AKA wall street.
I'll now pass on this one.
Regards
Steve
Shigeru Tanaka
Selling textures
? no paintkit ? But luckely after I have purchased the model I can do with it what I want....... 
And this should make me happy?
I love the P51 B and C models, but on these conditions I prefer to stick with the perfect D models I already have!
Huub
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hinch
Guest
I still feel iffy about the ariane connections, it's the '...nice guys' comment that throws me off.
Plane looks a stunner however.
Plane looks a stunner however.
i think a better way to go about it is by selling variants, instead of paint kits. The goal is mass market reach, so people can be exposed. Paint kits are a great way to reach everyone, and business wise, it's not smart to block this.
I've played around w/ the idea of starting a flight sim company myself and toying w/ the business plan.
I had the idea of releasing the base model for free, so everyone can judge its quality. Then charge for the variants such as w/ bombs, 2 seat trainers, or powerful engine upgrades, etc, but making the price low enough to attract sales, such as $5.00 USD. The margin might not be high at first, but after a few releases, the #s could go into the black.
Note: this is not the same as Captain Sim's block system, which was basically selling incomplete parts and charging people for the whole thing.
-feng
I've played around w/ the idea of starting a flight sim company myself and toying w/ the business plan.
I had the idea of releasing the base model for free, so everyone can judge its quality. Then charge for the variants such as w/ bombs, 2 seat trainers, or powerful engine upgrades, etc, but making the price low enough to attract sales, such as $5.00 USD. The margin might not be high at first, but after a few releases, the #s could go into the black.
Note: this is not the same as Captain Sim's block system, which was basically selling incomplete parts and charging people for the whole thing.
-feng
No repaints allowed but only for your use and no paintkit?
It doesn't make sense to me. If its for protection from piracy, thats just not making sense to me. Look at A2A (shockwave formerly) P-51D mustangs. Tons and tons of repaints for it. Hundreds of downloads. There are paint kits for it without any restrictions, so that encourages repainters to paint schemes and upload them. Business wise, it gives the A2A Mustang more exposure and the opportunity for others to purchase the model itself.
Albert's post seemed vague though...hope there has been a misunderstanding.
It doesn't make sense to me. If its for protection from piracy, thats just not making sense to me. Look at A2A (shockwave formerly) P-51D mustangs. Tons and tons of repaints for it. Hundreds of downloads. There are paint kits for it without any restrictions, so that encourages repainters to paint schemes and upload them. Business wise, it gives the A2A Mustang more exposure and the opportunity for others to purchase the model itself.
Albert's post seemed vague though...hope there has been a misunderstanding.
Getting more and more turned off by this product!! And it's not just the abuse of "soon" that's got me down! The no additional paint sceme policy is WRONG!! Sorry Bomber I have a great deal of respect for you and what you've done for all of us but who talked you into a policy that seems so wrong..........?
Don't worry Skyhawk, there are many others on the same page as you!! But I have been known to keep "change" in my pocket! :costumes:
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BananaBob
Guest
No sale from me, I appreciate John's talent and amazed at it but this makes no sense to me, but I'm an idiot anyway, lol. :ernae:
whitehawk_2009
Charter Member 2016
I agree with Cees, where's john on this? Something is SEVERELY wrong when an aircraft designed and built by a painter is off limits to public skins.....
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mikew
SOH-CM-2024
I may as well add my disappointment to this thread as well. I was really looking forward to this release and painting a few favorites skins as well. I guess I'll save a few bucks... I've started assembling parts for a new PC build anyway! Besides... I've been enjoying the SF8 F-86 Sabre so much that I kind of forgot about this Mustang until I saw this thread. I think I'll stick with the kerosene burner for awhile.
Mike
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