Mustangs, Mustangs!

Yeap, kinda of a bummer to hear all this. I was planning on buying these models but if the repaint aftermarket is going to get stumped and make this model less interesting(with all the repaint possibilities that will be missed), I too will have to pass on it.
 
I can definitely 100% empathize with everyone's feelings here...

That being said, I'll (just me personally) probably get the package based upon these 2 reasons:

1) FSX :kilroy:
2) To give back something to John....
 
Panther_99FS said:

1) FSX :kilroy:
2) To give back something to John....
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1> Is there going to be an FSX version? I haven't seen anything on that?
2> good point! however.....

Still, let's wait and see what we've got, so far, it's only lots of pictures on a website, no talk of prices yet
 
But really!
It's just another P51!
Different versions granted, but 'another' Mustang?
:kilroy:
On a more realistic note, how many people have actually contributed to the 'Freeware' painters and developers?
'PAD', freeware at commercial quality, a donation of $5 a time is fair.
Bomber was also another who's repaints were worth a similar 'donation'.
Coral, for a $5 donation one can receive arguably the best F15 of the lot.
Our own SOH donationware collection has always been value for money.
It really is about time the community realised that a few dollars toward the talent that has been freely available is a small cost toward the time and effort involved.
 
It's not the paying for the model that I have a problem with, I've bought tons of payware, and in general, have been quite happy to pay for them.
It's the 'repaints only for your own use' that I don't like. Why this ridiculous restriction? Isn't this community partly about sharing things?
I've painted well over 100 Mustangs for the A2A model and a few for the Wozza p-51, and was looking forward to painting this one, but apparently, that is not appreciated...
In that case, buying this model is pointless for me, as I am more into repainting than flying. I usually only fly to check the paints I make...sad but true.
 
Wombat, you make a good point about donations to freeware developers. I have donated money here and there over the years and I don't mind it at all. Regarding the coming of this new P-51, it is a high quality set of the early Mustangs that fill the gap A2A hasn't done so far and probably won't. There is a good market and plenty of interest for it but the exclusion of a paint kit so the repainter community can expand the vast line of known P-51 markings and paint schemes kind of undercuts the value which would have been added. The lifeblood of the business is the ability to expand in it and allow folks like repainters to do their art and share with the community. If the trend of limiting all of that continues, what is the point? I only hope there is a turn around of things regarding the paint policy for this new Mustang and that other developers take heed.
 
What on earth is going on with this 'hobby'! Once apon a time all add-ons were free!


Now 'we' cannot purchase a product and enhance its looks for others (customers, that is ) to enjoy. What about the old saying 'the customer is always right', seems that holds no water nowadays. Perhaps these guys work for a bank during the day job, roll on the 'New World', I sure am getting fed up with the current one!!!!
 
One of John's biggest buggaboos is piracy. Something everyone here at the OutHouse dislikes just as much. However, it's this kind of behaviour that attracts it. It creates the ultimate challenge, and the bigger reason to stick the thumb in the eye of the (for lack of a better word) "selfish" developer, (who may/maynot even be in control.) Did John sign a contract, and then Warbirdsim is adding on these decisions post signing?

John said, on so many words, that he was making these new early Mustangs because the Sky Unlimited ones are so hard to paint. Doesn't this defeat that purpose?

As for the small donation to time involved, Jan Visser & Co. could have/should have made his fantastic F-86 donationware at the very least, but he chose to give it to the hobby, and he plans many more variations, to boot! No one here was expecting this aircraft to be given away. Heck, look at what some have been willing to pay for some of the newer releases! But none of those have had these restrictions, and sales have always picked up when the selling company has sales, mostly because of all the paints available. This doesn't make sense.
 
wombat666 said:
It really is about time the community realised that a few dollars toward the talent that has been freely available is a small cost toward the time and effort involved.
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You hit the nail square on the head there Wombat.

But why, oh why a P-51, Bomber? :banghead:

His 'n hers warbirds. :d

Best wishes
Steve P
 
Its too bad the old thread is gone so that we could reflect on those promises that were made about this plane.


I admire John's handy work as one of the best but frankly.......this doesn't not sound like John's doing. This goes against everything John said about this plane, from day one of its developement. My biggest question is, his original intent was for this to be a Donationware type of plane. It now seems that the has gone t the wayside to a company known for having issues. The onyl reason I can see is they offered him more money then he could pass on, and frankly.....thats just too bad and changes my opinion of alot involved with this plane.
 
Without any comment from Bomber (John, where are you?) as Cees stated, it's difficult to find out any type of true data.

That being said, SkyhawkA4M **might** have stumbled on to something plausible.

Perhaps, I repeat *perhaps*, Bomber has sold all the rights & thus now he has no control over his project. I've seen this occur in the past to some other developers...:kilroy::cost1:

And...
And I want thank you folks for keeping this thread as civil as possible given the amount of passion here that's involved for everyone...
 
John,

Could you please respond to the given invitation to shed some light on the reasons for these choices? You have given this community a lot the past years and I think we all agree that it's only fair and well deserved that you ask for a compensation for your present work. Could you come forward and explain why it has to be in this way, and why all the restrictions are suddenly brought in?


:kilroy:

Cees
 
Panther_99FS said:
Without any comment from Bomber (John, where are you?) as Cees stated, it's difficult to find out any type of true data.

That being said, SkyhawkA4M **might** have stumbled on to something plausible.

Perhaps, I repeat *perhaps*, Bomber has sold all the rights & thus now he has no control over his project. I've seen this occur in the past to some other developers...:kilroy::cost1:

And...
And I want thank you folks for keeping this thread as civil as possible given the amount of passion here that's involved for everyone...
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One thing I was thinking also is that maybe whatever publishing company is going to be doing the boxed versions has put some restrictions on the repaint policy. Hopefully Bomber or someone will post something before long to clear things up.:kilroy:

Darrell
 
deathfromafar said:
Regarding the coming of this new P-51, it is a high quality set of the early Mustangs that fill the gap A2A hasn't done so far and probably won't.
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I know these fill a gap DFA, but where are the Allison powered versions?
Now those I'd happily pay for, even with the restrictions!
I really like the SU versions and these remain favourites, so good on Jesse Lambert.
:applause:

"John, where are you?"
Probably painting like a man possesed Ed!
:d
 
There's been a lot of questions with no answers........? When you make a contract/agreement with someone the usual business practice is, First, understanding the terms of the contract! Then and only then, if you agree to those terms do you sign on the dotted line! Once you sign you become as responsible as anyone else for the product you're selling.......just a thought; I've been known to be wrong!:d

I also am greatful for what John has done for us! I also control the money I want to spend. I hope I can spend it on just "another" P-51, but I don't know right now........?
 
Bomber, I love your work man and think this is great but if I cannot download repaints and have to purchase them I am sorry I AM NOT BUYING THIS!

Really Sad for the company doing this because any profits you might have made will now be crushed because of this. You will make more by allowing repaints then selling them.
 
I found some new repaints for a YAK3, posted today by none other than Bomber_12th. The plot thickens...
John is painting Yak's while everybody is worried about his P-51...it's been a while since we heard anything from him relating (t)his bird...
:isadizzy::isadizzy:

I think I give up trying to understand what is going on, and just sit back and see what happens....and paint other birds, there's a Liberator I still have to finish, and several Hudsons.... who knows, I may have to buy the A2A B-17 so I can repaint that..is that any good?
 
In pure speculation on my part, due to the terms he may be working under, Bomber may not be able to comment.....
 
he also might be awaiting further disscusions about things before he makes a comment
 
jankees said:
I may have to buy the A2A B-17 so I can repaint that..is that any good?
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Yes it is very good and should be getting the Accusim treatment in the not to distant future. I'd really like to see some of your handy paint brush treatment put on her.:applause:

Joe
 
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