New computer with Windows 7... 64 bit question.......

luckydog

Charter Member 2014
Computer should arrive anyday now......

AMD Phenom 2.6 GHZ (I think I screwed up there...)
64 bit 6 core processor
8 GB DDR3
1 TB HD
1 GB ATI 5570

my questions are: what will I need to download to get FSX up and running smoothly ??

and anybody have any probs with FSX and W7-64bit ???

Thanx....

LD
 
w7 64 pro here since last october, FSX has run fine on it since:jump: just a little glitch with activating scenery that has been documented.
 
i run fsx fine on a q6600 at 2.6 mhz. you should be fine right out of the box plus a few of jesus' tweaks..
 
Win 7 64-bit here, and no problems at all ( other than that scenery activation glitch that Pilottj mentioned ).
 
I installed Win7 64 in a dual boot configuration with my existing XP Pro.

FSX runs just fine and the latest nVidea drivers for my video card are smooth with
no need for nHancer or any additional utilities.

Some tips:

Do NOT install FSX in the default location! Install it either directly to the root directory
of your drive or 1 level down at the most. Install the SDK the same way.

Choose "Run as Administrator" when installing those, and any addons for that matter.

The first thing I did was tune UAC OFF! Then I went to the Win7 locations that FSX
puts the various cfg files, etc, and set them to "Full Access" so I do not get any
"not allowed" messages. I like to set bookmarks to those directories on my desktop
or in a desktop folder labeled "FSX Shorcuts" so I can get to them easily without having
to stumble around in the rather obtuse Win7 directory system.

When you start adding your addons, do them 1 or 2 at a time and reboot and run FSX to
insure there are now hidden issues.

Paul
 
I installed Win7 64 in a dual boot configuration with my existing XP Pro.

FSX runs just fine and the latest nVidea drivers for my video card are smooth with
no need for nHancer or any additional utilities.

Some tips:

Do NOT install FSX in the default location! Install it either directly to the root directory
of your drive or 1 level down at the most. Install the SDK the same way.

Choose "Run as Administrator" when installing those, and any addons for that matter.

The first thing I did was tune UAC OFF! Then I went to the Win7 locations that FSX
puts the various cfg files, etc, and set them to "Full Access" so I do not get any
"not allowed" messages. I like to set bookmarks to those directories on my desktop
or in a desktop folder labeled "FSX Shorcuts" so I can get to them easily without having
to stumble around in the rather obtuse Win7 directory system.

When you start adding your addons, do them 1 or 2 at a time and reboot and run FSX to
insure there are now hidden issues.

Paul

So the "default" location ISN'T the root directory of the drive ????
Where is the default location?
Thanks for the reminder to add SDK.....I'd forgotten all about that....

UPS tracking shows everything should arrive tomorrow (Sat.)
I hope the "old lady" doesn't have any plans.........................cause she'll be on her own!!

Thanks for the advice and tips !!!!

LD
 
By default he means in the Program Files or Program Files (86)

I created my own folder C:\Flightsim to install FSX and FS9.

It works fine.

A note about Program Files folder and Program Files (86)

Programs which do not require or do not support 64 bit architecture get installed in the Programs Files folder (or any other folder for that matter).

Programs which need or will benefit from 64 bit architecture support must be installed in the Program Files (86) folder. Programs which are launched from this folder use different drivers to allow them to use the 64 bit architecture.

My FSX is running great outside of the (86) folder but some times I wonder if it would be better with in the (86) folder. I am not willing to move it to find out. To install it in the (86) folder you would need to turn off UAC ( I do not suggest this) or learn how to modify files with in that folder. W7 is very picky about letting you do that. Which makes adding paints and editing cfgs a pain.
 
The first thing I did was tune UAC OFF......... Then I went to the Win7 locations that FSX puts the various cfg files, etc, and set them to "Full Access" so I do not get any
"not allowed" messages.....


Could you please tell me what UAC is?

And please tell me where I can configure "Full Access" for the various FSX files?

Thank you.

NC
 
By default he means in the Program Files or Program Files (86)

I created my own folder C:\Flightsim to install FSX and FS9.

It works fine.

A note about Program Files folder and Program Files (86)

Programs which do not require or do not support 64 bit architecture get installed in the Programs Files folder (or any other folder for that matter).

Programs which need or will benefit from 64 bit architecture support must be installed in the Program Files (86) folder. Programs which are launched from this folder use different drivers to allow them to use the 64 bit architecture.

My FSX is running great outside of the (86) folder but some times I wonder if it would be better with in the (86) folder. I am not willing to move it to find out. To install it in the (86) folder you would need to turn off UAC ( I do not suggest this) or learn how to modify files with in that folder. W7 is very picky about letting you do that. Which makes adding paints and editing cfgs a pain.


"I created my own folder C:\Flightsim to install FSX and FS9.".....Dangerousdave.

OK.....I'm catching on here........

Thanks !!!

LD
 
Could you please tell me what UAC is?

And please tell me where I can configure "Full Access" for the various FSX files?

Thank you.

NC

UAC stands for User Account Controls. Its a security feature on the whole OS that prevent or helps prevent Malware and virusus from altering files on your system. It does this by not allowing files in certain locations to be changed with out Admin approval (your user account does not function with Admin privileges they need to be invoked).

If you turn it off any program or malware can change any file without intervention on your part. If you can live with that possibility then you can turn it off. I still don't recommend it.

One of the grips people had for years about the windows OS is that is was insecure. Well this is security. Its very similar to how Linux distributions do it.

If someone does not beat me to it I will post later on how to turn off UAC I don't have my W7 PC running and its time to go to work.
 
Could you please tell me what UAC is?

User Account Control

Click Start and type UAC in the search window, pull the slider that will be presented all the way down. ( learned this when my Acelleration DVD would not install... )

And please tell me where I can configure "Full Access" for the various FSX files?

F.i. Right click fsx.cfg , select Properties, select Security, here you can control all authorisation settings pertaining to a particular file or folder you have currently no access to.


@Dangerousdave : can we safely assume that FSX does NOT benefit from 64bit architecture ??..... ( i have FSX installed on a seperate drive, running W7/64 for the first time, FSX runs fabulous ( i7 980x,GF 480GTX,12GB Mem) but only *when* it runs.... never encountered so much BSODs/FSX locks with XP.... )

cheers,
jan
 
User Account Control

Click Start and type UAC in the search window, pull the slider that will be presented all the way down. ( learned this when my Acelleration DVD would not install... )



F.i. Right click fsx.cfg , select Properties, select Security, here you can control all authorisation settings pertaining to a particular file or folder you have currently no access to.


@Dangerousdave : can we safely assume that FSX does NOT benefit from 64bit architecture ??..... ( i have FSX installed on a seperate drive, running W7/64 for the first time, FSX runs fabulous ( i7 980x,GF 480GTX,12GB Mem) but only *when* it runs.... never encountered so much BSODs/FSX locks with XP.... )

cheers,
jan

Jan,

FSX DOES benefit from the 64 bit architecture in that it recognizes and uses all of your 12 gig of ram. In 32 bit you would only see and use +/- 3.2 Gigs.

Other than that, W7 is just centuries ahead of WinXP in resources management.

Fine rig you have there!

Cheers,

Ian
 
@Dangerousdave : can we safely assume that FSX does NOT benefit from 64bit architecture ??..... ( i have FSX installed on a seperate drive, running W7/64 for the first time, FSX runs fabulous ( i7 980x,GF 480GTX,12GB Mem) but only *when* it runs.... never encountered so much BSODs/FSX locks with XP.... )

cheers,
jan

Hi jan..
Sorry i'm not Dave but i thought i'd take a whack at explaining it..
Theres a lot of things effecting FSX on a 64 bit system that can make it run either slower or faster than it can on a 32 bit system.
you see, on a 32 bit system, the machine grabs a single 32 byte instruction from the program and shoves it through the processor after going through ram ( which is where some of the complications can happen ). A 64 bit machine grabs two 32 byte instructions at once and shoves those through the processor.. So in effect, its doing twice the work in the same amount of time. However, there are possible caveats that need to be looked at and if possible avoided. Among the biggest of these is synching the ram with the cpu. Ram can be in either a synch mode or an asynch mode. usually as delivered, most motherboards are set up for async mode. What this means is that data is read into ram, and sits there for an amount of time which is called a wait state, before going to the cpu. so, for as much as the machine is doing with the cpu, the ram is cutting it in half because the wait state is holding the data in the buffer. Meanwhile, while the data is being held in the buffer, more data from the program is being read in. This can cause a slow machine, or even buffer overruns and BSODs.
Synch mode, reads the data in from the program, and almost instantly feeds it to the cpu. theres no waiting and no data backing up in the buffer. The result is that the machine works more efficiently and the program runs faster, smoother, and with with fewer if any overruns and bsods.

Simply going into your cmos ram and changing the memory mode from asynch to synch can improve things immensely.

another thing to look into is how many cpu's are being used when the syetem starts up. By default, windows 7 only uses on cpu. going into the advanced options boot section of the dydtem control panel and telling it to use all four or however many cpus you have at boot time, greatly increases the efficiency and performance of the machine as well.. Oddly enough, it also helps the machine run cooler..

technically, any 32 bit program should work better on a 64 bit machine, but the two things i've pointed out above can make it and even 64 bit programs crawl a a snails pace..
Turn off bios cacheing, and follow the overclockers guidlines for turning off spread spectrum functions of certain regions of your board to further increase performance. It doesnt matter if your overclocking or not. it will improve the performance.. But please do look it up and read whats recommended first as there are good spread spectrum stuff in there and not so good spread spectrum..
64 bit also allows for multiple cpus with multiple co-processors much more easily than 32 bit did, and with fsx, thats always a boon.. If you can use SLI do it. On a properly set up motherboard, the impact on fsx is phenomenal. Your no longer talking megaherz, your talking teraflops (or trillions of file operations per second ) But the bottom line is you need to do a little research and take notes, then go into cmos ram with those notes and set your machine up on a firmware level, then set windows up to boot on all four processors..
Hope this helps a little..
Pam
 
F.i. Right click fsx.cfg , select Properties, select Security, here you can control all authorisation settings pertaining to a particular file or folder you have currently no access to.


@Dangerousdave : can we safely assume that FSX does NOT benefit from 64bit architecture ??..... ( i have FSX installed on a seperate drive, running W7/64 for the first time, FSX runs fabulous ( i7 980x,GF 480GTX,12GB Mem) but only *when* it runs.... never encountered so much BSODs/FSX locks with XP.... )

cheers,
jan

I use a little registration key that comes in this "TakeOwnership.zip" that was suggested on another thread here. Don't remember where, but it works great. It bypasses all the UAC problems for that program. It works from the right click menu.

Jan, I've never had the BSOD since going to Win7 64, but I do get occasional lockups, mostly after flying a while, then trying to change a scenery, or location. A reboot always fixes, but it's still frustrating. I do run my FSX from an external HDD, 1.5TB. When mine locks up, it acts like the memory/video memory is not transfering info, as the picture "tears" (as in rips, not cries, lol) and won't refresh.
 
I don't think I have any problems with Win7 64 and FSX. The only issue I get is occasionally the video freezes for a second or two or three. Usually it just starts again, sometimes FSX dies.

I think the issue is in the video card (ATI 5850) but it doesn't happen enough for me to be willing to tear into the system and start looking for the problem. I just reboot.
 
I use a little registration key that comes in this "TakeOwnership.zip" that was suggested on another thread here. Don't remember where, but it works great. It bypasses all the UAC problems for that program. It works from the right click menu.


This darn thing made my life a lot easier:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1911-take-ownership-shortcut.html

I did not feel comfortable turning UAC completely off.

This is a great thread for me as I'm totally illiterate on the 64 vs 32 bit issues, and I'm going to have to invest in a new machine in the next few months. Maybe this needs to be a sticky because I imagine a number of folks are going to be doing that the next couple years.

I take it that NOT putting FSX into the default is preferred due to the differing ways the OS treats the program?
 
Pam, your explanation helps me out a bunch, as I see what might be causing my lockups already. (Asynch vs synched ram.) I didn't know about setting windows up to boot on all cpu's, either. Will give those a try.

Does that asynch vs synched ram work on the video board also?? Is that even adjustable??

XFX-ATI HD 4890 1GB DDR5 PCIE
AMD PhenomIIx4 810 2.6GHZ
6GB Ram
 
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