New Sea King from Alphasim/ Virtavia

[DaveWG]

Of course the skeletal view / license thingy means you can't use the Seaking as AI with HeliTraffic

 

[mal998]

Okay, got it.
I'm assuming you are associated with Virtavia then Mr. Cooper.
So just a suggestion that maybe this information concerning the initial skeletal view in the Details pane and security activation should be included in the manual?

Also, could you please advise the status on the Paint Kit?

Thank you for your assistance. :d

Mr. Cooper, as far as I know, is not associated with Virtavia in any official capacity.

If the aircraft shows up in the game then it is installed correctly. The reason the aircraft shows up the way it does in the preview window has to do with built-in security measures. I suspect you will be seeing more of those in the future. Small price to pay for keeping the thieves at bay.

The paint kit is being worked on.

BR's,
mal

 

[jimcooper1]

Okay, got it.

I'm assuming you are associated with Virtavia then Mr. Cooper.
So just a suggestion that maybe this information concerning the initial skeletal view in the Details pane and security activation should be included in the manual?

Also, could you please advise the status on the Paint Kit?

Thank you for your assistance. :d

I am not part of Virtavia and am not involved with developing the models so have no idea when a PaintKit is due for release, but I am responsible for the activation process.
Unfortunately the Details Pane phenomenon was not picked up during Beta Testing consequently it was not known about until this thread!!! The Select Flight panel does execute the Panel.cfg but apparently the Details pane does not. However there is nothing in the Microsoft Software Development Kit documentation that tells you either of these facts; so it is down to Beta Testing to discover what works and what doesn't! I guess Beta testers didn't click the 'Details' button before they selected the aircraft.
Now we know about it, the limitation can be documented and methods investigated to activate the Details pane. At present it can be viewed it just needs a couple of extra clicks!

regards

Jim

 

[jimcooper1]

Of course the skeletal view / license thingy means you can't use the Seaking as AI with HeliTraffic

You could try the Freeware Sea King from UKMIL
http://www.ukmil.org.uk/download.php?view.455

regards

Jim

 

[skyblazer3]

The reason the aircraft shows up the way it does in the preview window has to do with built-in security measures. I suspect you will be seeing more of those in the future. Small price to pay for keeping the thieves at bay.



BR's,
mal

I think it is a huge price to pay, too high for me. This security measure prevents you from properly seeing the aircraft model in multiplayer if you are not in the model yourself. For example, if I own the Sea King, but am not in it at the moment, then other people in sea kings do not show properly. This also negates the possibility of using FS Recorder to play back your flights from a model other than the Sea King.

I hope that developers abandon this means of security -- it makes the aircraft useless in a multi-player session. That might not be a big deal for some -- but I fly exclusively in multiplayer.

Chris Eells

 

[spatialpro]

Of course the skeletal view / license thingy means you can't use the Seaking as AI with HeliTraffic

Hi Dave,

Not sure what you mean? I have the Sea Kings working just fine in HeliTraffic (although as yet I haven't tried it when not flying a Sea King myself. Is this the problem?).

Andy

 

[DaveWG]

Hi Andy,

yep, if you're in the Seaking yourself it's no problem, but if you're in something else it's skeletal model time.

 

[Snave]

Hi Andy,

yep, if you're in the Seaking yourself it's no problem, but if you're in something else it's skeletal model time.

Once again, it's the legitimate customers suffering the obstruction and confusion, not the pirates. Surely that should be the first test for ANY security measure - does it inconvenience the poor punter who PAID for it..?:ques:

 

[spatialpro]

yep, if you're in the Seaking yourself it's no problem, but if you're in something else it's skeletal model time.

OK I've give that a shot. I'll be disapointed if they don't work, to say the least.

Andy

 

[dennison]

Yep, the seaking does not work properly with heli traffic unless you are in the seaking yourself.As i have purchased both the virtavia seaking and heli traffic I AM NOT IMPRESSED.

Also does anyone else have a problem with the A.I indicator locked in pitch only and non functioning test lamp switches when starting from cold and dark???

My default flight is the default Bell 206 cold and dark.


P.S Is there a VC switch for the landing gear? or have i missed it.

 

[spatialpro]

Has anyone tried flying multiplayer with one person in the Sea King and the other in a different helicopter? If so, I'd like to hear whether the entire Sea King was visible?

Andy

 

[skyblazer3]

I haven't..... but it shouldn't be because of the security software.

 

[rohan]

Please can someone confirm whether this security system is in place even when you've had the aircraft delivered and paid for through the Flight1 wrapper system ?
thanks in advance,
Ro

 

[DaveWG]

Yes it is.

 

[mal998]

Sorry to report that in multiplayer, when you are in a different aircraft from the player in the Seaking, the Seaking shows up skeletal.

I don't recall if the same problem arose with the Warbirdsim P-51's, as they originally appeared skeletal in the menu.

Bummer!

I will have to think twice about future purchases from any developer that suffer from the same issue, as I fly a lot of multiplayer.

 

[skyblazer3]

Mal998,

WarbirdSim removed that protection from their P-51s. They now work fine in multiplayer. They are a company that listens to their customers, and I will be picking up their D model when it comes out.

Cheers,

Chris

 

[centuryseries]

Mal998,

WarbirdSim removed that protection from their P-51s. They now work fine in multiplayer. They are a company that listens to their customers, and I will be picking up their D model when it comes out.

Cheers,

Chris

I'm sure Virtavia listen to their customers, but why would anyone want to remove copy protection from products that are extremely easy to copy and pass on often in the thousands.

How many people play online anyway? :salute:

 

[skyblazer3]

I play exclusively online, and so do all the people that I fly with. Go browse around the gamespy rooms for a while, you will be surprised.

FSX is a much more beautiful game when played online with people who know what they are doing. Whether it is air traffic control sessions, formation aerobatics, GA fly-ins, formation hops, helicopter search and rescue, or virtual airline and military groups..... FSX really shines in the multiplayer arena.

For those of us who do fly online, copyright protection like the sort that virtavia uses make those products 100% worthless.

Chris Eells

 

[mal998]

I'm sure Virtavia listen to their customers, but why would anyone want to remove copy protection from products that are extremely easy to copy and pass on often in the thousands.

How many people play online anyway? :salute:

Lots of people play online, just have a look at the rooms on Gamespy on any weekend.

I am not suggesting, nor would I ever suggest that copy protection be removed, only that a workaround be looked into that allows the product to be seen in multiplayer when two players are in defferent aircraft. Having said that, I have already gotten feedback from Virtavia on the matter and it does not look as though a modification is viable or forthcoming.

This will be just another consideration before making a purchase.

 

[dennison]

Well it may not be forth coming from Virtavia, but it is possible i think. I have worked out a work-around for Heli Traffic;

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Not sure if it will work with multiplayer though.

Edit: I don't use multiplayer but the skelletal visuals reported are the same so i suppose it will.