OT: Rise of Flight update

i'd prefere large varity of a decent standard then just 2 .. every mission would be the same just in a different area :isadizzy:

I just dont agree selling a "sim" with only 2 planes, then chargeing you if you want more ... i wouldnt have a problem if there where to be included in patchs like IL2 as they get completed ... but chargeing for em? I'm sure they have their reasons but still :kilroy:

EDIT: Also the only shots their showing are off the spad and DVII .. which you dont get with the game .. false advertiseing?? If microsoft did the same type of thing they'd be hung, drawn and quaterd!

sorry if i seem to have a bee in me bonet .. but why let some companies get away with it whilst others wouldn't??
 
They will relase the SPAD XIII and Fokker D.VII. Its a pity for me, because there is no British design. The SPAD XIII is in USAF paints. But I understand that it is for marketing purposes.

Very similar setup was launched with the Thirdwire's "first Eagles". There were flyable: SE5a, SPAD XIII and Fokker D.VII + AI DFW C.V, Salmson A.2a and Albatros D.Va.
 
robby88 said:
According to their blog ROF will ship with 2 free aircraft - Nieuport 28 and Albatros D.V. The Fokker D.VII and SPAD XIII will be available on the day of release at extra charge. They plan to release 1-2 new planes a month after that.
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Somehow I suddenly lost interest in that sim...
 
Thx for the data from the blog, Bjoern.
:censored: , looks like that they will provide two crappy (I mean by performance) planes and two with better performance will be payware. That is very s:censored:y...

"If you want to drop more eggs, buy Gotha or HP 0/400 for 40$ and if you cannot afford that, buy DFW C.V which will carry only 100 kgs of bombs. Now, only 15 $. Limited offer!" :costumes:
 
stiz said:
i'd prefere large varity of a decent standard then just 2 .. every mission would be the same just in a different area :isadizzy:

I just dont agree selling a "sim" with only 2 planes, then chargeing you if you want more ... i wouldnt have a problem if there where to be included in patchs like IL2 as they get completed ... but chargeing for em? I'm sure they have their reasons but still :kilroy:

EDIT: Also the only shots their showing are off the spad and DVII .. which you dont get with the game .. false advertiseing?? If microsoft did the same type of thing they'd be hung, drawn and quaterd!

sorry if i seem to have a bee in me bonet .. but why let some companies get away with it whilst others wouldn't??
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Doesn't it kinda depend on what the base price for the sim is? And by the way, isn't this model a stripped-down version of exactly what we do with FS now? We buy a sim with a limited number of planes and then spend years purchasing more planes, scenery, clouds, skies, you name it. It looks to me as though the developers need to recoup some costs before diving wholesale into plane creation. For myself, I'd rather see some numbers before barbecueing them for the strategy in advance.
 
I agree with spotlope.

RoF is the only simulator based on completely new engine released recently. I guess development was very expensive, they had to find a way to earn more money. Now we have to wait and see what they are planning.
 
now i've cooled down a bit :redf:

good point that it is like we do for FS .. but that still doesnt really explain the previews on their website that show planes that wont be included in the initial release.

If Microsoft showed previews screens of FS11 with say a wartime p51 and b17 with everyshot of it, with no indication on their website that they werent included and where actually payware addons, they'd be bad mouthed everywhere and prolly slammed by law for it (well maybe not but it is false advertising, leading the customer to belive their getting something which their not). Now if they included shots of the N28 and Alb D.V, and saything that the spad and DVII where payware addons i wouldnt really have a problem .. see where i'm comeing from??
 
what spotlope said...

I am far more concerned with smooth playability without hangs or stutters that are software related (I expect to have to have an uprated rig by then) than I am in how many flyables it comes with at release.

This is the first I've heard that it will be for online use only - my understanding was that there would be a campaign generator or other offline commitment either with initial release or else available later as an addon...

I have resigned myself to this idea of buying a 'core' sim - like FSX - and then aquiring aftermarket enhancements -free or payware- to suit my own taste...

It is costly, but it is acceptable to me especially since there seems to be no other way for developers to afford to develope these sims

I am really looking forward to flying WWI air combat in the virtual skies :ernae:
 
Lukasz, the blog portion was Robby's find.


I bet RoF will have much better sales if it will include the essential fighters of that time bundled with a reasonable price and nearly unlimited enhanceability.

Kind of like the Wo* series, which by the way is made by one single guy.
 
Yep it's very much as spotlope says .... very similar to the situation with FS. Neoqb are developing as a platform and releasing the sim in stages. Flight sims are incredibly costly to develop and they have to get a product out there to start earning money and provide a return to their investors.

My understanding is that while it will cater very much for online play it will also offer quite good offline single play. They haven't made any public announcements as to 3rd party development but I would think they would. But what form that will take I don't yet know. I would like to hope that ROF will have more maps in future. I'm interested in WW1 maritime aviation and also bombers. The Italian front would be nice too.
 
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It is everybody’s right to decide whether a product is worth the money for them, but I find it discouraging to read people having a judgment on what is ‘reasonable’ or ‘fair’, implying some kind of universal norm, without ever having seen the product concerned. Who knows; perhaps the quality of the planes we do get in RoF is so good that the developers cannot afford to include more. After all, many FS addons cost tens of dollars. Or perhaps the other aspects of the sim require so many resources that selling planes as ad-ons is the only way to make a profit. I see it happening so often; there is a post about a new sim product and all the good attributes hardly receive attention but one or two aspects that people don’t like are dragged on about endlessly. If somebody will not buy RoF because there are only two planes included, or because he doesn’t like the planes, fine. Frankly, I couldn’t care less. I can see for myself that there are only two planes included and whether someone else will buy the sim or not is totally irrelevant for me. But to imply from such a fact that the developers are asking an ‘unreasonable’ price is unfair and does not add anything useful or positive to the discussion. In a free market there are no ‘fair’ prices; there are merely prices people want or don’t want to pay.
 
I'll be getting this, just for the pure fact that they gave us the best Dr1 for FSX. :ernae:
 
I was too harsh in my statement, but it was my frustration.
If the game will succeed (Iam pretty sure of that), there will be more maps for sure. I hope that they will offer free updates with the planes (which can be "unlocked" after you will pay). This is how it works in Condor Soaring Sim.
If only N.28 would be as good as she was in the RB3D :d
 
If I may be so bold

May I direct your attention to Over Flanders' Fields.

http://www.overflandersfields.com/

Not only is this a sim which has been through extensive phase 1 and phase 2 freeware releases but it offers a real bang for your buck.

Phase 3 will be available in the near future as $50 payware.

Although you can follow the link and read more, I feel constrained to extract the full feature list for your consideration.

Before anyone seeks to adveresly criticise a sim which has at its base the original CFS3 engine,please realise that most parts of CFS3 have been replaced, renewed or improved. From High Res Scenery, more Land, better AI (computer pilots), Physics, Flight models, Damage Models, Aircraft Models, Effects, Ground objects and scenery, and finally and most importantly, with a FULL replacement for the CFS3 campaign engine. This is "OFF Manager" a NEW INDEPENDENT WW1 HISTORICAL CAMPAIGN ENGINE!

This may not be flightsimming for the out and out purist, but it will bring to you a fully immersive sim which will allow you to relive WW1 flying in a largely historical context.

I urge you to at least consider it.You can pre register for a copy of P3 if you follow the link.

I have no financial connection with the OFF development team and will not benefit financially from any sales of P3. I am,unashamedly a huge supporter of their endeavours which In my humble opinion rightly deserve to be supported.

Best

nio

:wavey:


FULL FEATURES
<hr style="color: rgb(78, 133, 87);" size="1"> Weather, Scenery, Terrain and Effects:

1) NEW For P3!: Fully revised and updated high resolution terrain and all new scenery models, to suit the WW1 era. Some of the finest scenery yet to be seen in a combat flight sim.

2) Dense Rich scenery environment with accurate rendering of front lines trenches, flora and towns. Possibly some of the best scenery seen in a flight simulator.

3) Five additional distinctly individual landclass regions (CFS3 has 1) that render distinct terrain graphic types: Southern England, Flanders, Marne, Verdun, Alsace and the rest of the CFS3 theatre.

4) NEW For P3!: All original CFS3 terrain is now replaced - everywhere - with high resolution terrain graphics.

5) Seven Seasonal terrain variations : Spring, Summer, Autumn, Autumn Light Snow cover , Winter , Winter Light snow cover , Winter Medium snow cover, Winter Full snow cover.

6) Fully revised and updated cloud formations and skyboxes.

7) AI weather generator - sees the weather dynamically change due to frontal pressure systems - terrain snow cover will build up, thaw and melt away over time.....

8) NEW For P3!:: Fully Dynamic weather - weather changes as player flies - in real time.

9) NEW For P3!:: Dynamic Wind.

10) NEW For P3!: Historical weather mode - weather plays out as it did historically and directly affects the quantity of craft in the air as well as on very bad days actually grounding the crews.

11) NEW For P3!: Historical weather has a direct impact on air traffic density.

12) Enhanced for P3!: Moving frontlines and creeping damage and dereliction - frontlines are modelled in 12 'states' for the period of the war.

13) Front Line locations and positions have been accurately researched and then 'reduced' to 12 major 'states' and rendered within the advanced OFF terrain system.

14) Revised Lighting.

15) Revised Sea graphics.

16) Vehicle and building lights (unchanged since P1)


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Dynamic Campaign Engine and Simulator Manager:

1) NEW For P3!: Full High resolution graphical interface, Wrapper and Campaign Manager now runs automatically at desktop resolution.

2) Enhanced for P3! Comprehensive standalone OBD historical database of nations, aces , squadrons, weather, aircraft, targets to support a standalone Dynamic Campaign Engine that fully replaces the CFS3 campaign system.

3) Enhanced for P3!: Over 1000 unique targets in any given time period of front line modelling representing upward of 12000 targets overall.

4) NEW For P3!: Historically based mission types and aircraft traffic density changes over time and balance of power and air traffic density swings as it did historically.

5) Enhanced for P3!: 100's of Squadrons operate from accurately located airfields and transfer as they did historically.

6) Enhanced for P3!: Fly from 100's of airfields across the whole western front in the theatre of operations!

7) Every squadron is allocated the correct craft and has the correct ace complements, at any one time, as it did historically. Be part of history!

8) Player/Squadron craft are upgraded to the newer squadron aircraft over time as it was historically.

9) NEW For P3!: Up to 226 aircraft are dynamically rendered in the players region above and beyond the mission flight complement in real time. These additional craft are all operating from real squadrons and real airbases, carrying out real tasks and attacking real targets as they did historically. This is scaleable for CPU power - balance between forces is always maintained irrespective of scale selected.
Total rendered craft is basically unlimited and can be increased in the future.

10) NEW For P3!: Revised kill claim system and claim forms - fill in your report - detail and accuracy helps you obtain confirmations.

11) NEW For P3!: Real Battles - visit the Intel room to get the low down on battles raging at the time - battles take place in real time in the sim.

12) NEW For P3!: Mission Replay system - watch your recorded mission data play out on a 2D map viewed top down to see how you faired in your last mission - all critical mission events are displayed, complete with Play Pause Continue and Restart 'movie' type functionality.

13) NEW For P3!: Tight interface between Wrapper and CFS3 run time - 'enter directly to mission' and exit mission directly back to the Wrapper.

14) Climb the ladder in your squad (view your status in the Squadron Room) and try to survive 17 hours.

15) Enlist, use and manage up to 99 virtual pilots for Fighter or 2-seater action in a dossier style format.

16) NEW For P3!: Enhanced interface when enlisting a pilot, showing location of squadron on a map, proximity of front, allocated craft, allocated aces, and craft timeline of squad - i.e. what craft the squad will be assigned during the war over time. Step through time to see where the currently selected squadron moves to and what craft upgrades occur when, as well as the ace complement and squadron overall efficacy rating over time. All, yep you guessed it, historically researched.

17) Now join and fight in any of nearly 60 British, 103 German , 80 French and 15 American squadrons - including many British and German 2 seater squadrons. All as historically accurate as possible.

18) Enhanced For P3!: Full range of realistic mission directives. These change over time to reflect the changing tactics from Recon in the early years to Ground strafing and ground support missions in 1918 - includes photo recon and bombing missions for 2 seaters.

19) NEW For P3!: Escort missions including rendezvous - be escorted if you are flying 2 seaters or escort the 2 seaters.

20) Enhanced For P3!: Fully scalable difficulty settings with enhanced control for the player.

21) Enhanced For P3!: Dynamic logging of all missions or campaign missions only.

22) NEW For P3!: Dynamic logging of all kill claims can be viewed at any time in the pilot dossiers.

23) NEW For P3!: A dynamically logged "Settings Weighting" system to reflect players selected difficulty settings (as a %) and thus validity of 17 hour claims.

24) Historical film footage plays out interactively in campaign mode.

25) NEW For P3!: NEW MUSIC : ORIGINAL SCORE by Matt Milne

26) Several recorded Audio interviews with real WW1 pilots.

27) Comprehensive coverage of mid 1915 to 1918 operations.

28) Real Historical news is relayed dynamically to the player as he plays, reflecting historical events and or Ace demise as and when they occurred.

29) Enhanced For P3!: Scalable settings ensure control over CPU and GPU load.

30) Enhanced For P3!: Detailed scrollable and zoomable maps in many interface screens.

31) Enhanced For P3!: Detailed mission briefing room.


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Flight Models & Damage Models

1) Enhanced For P3!: Many new and revised Flight Models to take advantage of improved AI.

2) Enhanced For P3!: Overhauled Aircraft Damage modelling and updated Effects.
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Artwork

1) NEW For P3!: Well over 3000 (yes THREE THOUSAND !) high quality fully researched aircraft textures !!! - literally thousands of hand made high resolution skins accurately depicting authentic squadron and ace livery. See and fly with the aces of WW1 in full colour. This many Aces in this detail never seen before !

2) Enhanced For P3!: New Manager interface artwork
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WW1 Aircraft and Vehicles:


1) MANY NEW High resolution skins and aircraft models accurately rendered as far as possible and within the constraints of FPS and sanity.

2) Enhanced For P3!: New WW1 vehicles.

3) Enhanced For P3!: All WW1 ground vehicles complete with damage modelling.

4) NEW For P3!: Increased ground traffic.

5) NEW For P3!: Increased allocation and deployment of Observation balloons, and ground units - high resolution Observation balloons and skins, with crew.

6) NEW For P3!: Crashed aircraft are now rendered as such - no longer a simple crater decal.

7) Aircraft List for P3: Note there will be no Heavy bombers in P3 - they will be part of an upgrade pack.


Allied Single Seaters/Fighters:

Bristol F2B (fighter role) NEW For P3!
Bristol M1C - NEW For P3!
Bristol Scout
DH2
DH2 Late
Nieuport N11 "Bebe"
Nieuport N16
Nieuport N17
Royal Aircraft Factory Se5a - Hipsano engine - Enhanced For P3!
Royal Aircraft Factory Se5a - Viper engine - Enhanced For P3!
Sopwith Pup
Sopwith Triplane - Enhanced for P3
Sopwith Triplane Twin Guns - NEW For P3!
Sopwith Camel - Enhanced For P3!
Spad VII - Enhanced For P3!
Spad XIII - Enhanced For P3!


Allied 2 Seaters or Bombers:

Bristol F2B (bomber/reccy role) - NEW For P3!
Sopwith 1&1/2 Strutter 2 seater
Sopwith 1&1/2 Strutter single seater fighter/bomber variant
Royal Aircraft Factory FE2b - NEW For P3!
Royal Aircraft Factory RE8 - redone - BRAND NEW model For P3!
Royal Aircraft Factory BE2C - NEW For P3!


German Single seaters:

Albatros DII
Albatros DIII early
Albatros DIII
Albatros DV and variants
Albatros DVa and variants
Fokker DR1
Fokker DVII
Fokker DVIIF
Fokker EIII
Halberstadt DII - NEW For P3!
Pfalz DIIIa


German 2 seaters or bombers:

DFW CV- NEW For P3!
Hannover CL IIIa - Enhanced For P3! (new Virtual cockpit!)
Roland CII Walfisch - NEW For P3!


Possible Craft - note: still to be confirmed:

Fokker DVI
Fokker DVIII
Fokker EI and EII
Nieuport N24
Bristol Scout Variants


Vehicle and Ground unit list for P3:

Allied:

Whippet Tank - NEW For P3!
Mark IV Tank - NEW For P3!
Renault Truck open - NEW For P3!
Renault Truck closed - NEW For P3!
Renault Ambulance - NEW For P3!
Vulcan Truck
Rolls Royce Ambulance
Hay cart
Refugee
Marching Troops
Soldier with rifle (Lee-Enfield 303) - NEW For P3!
Advancing Troops (over no man's land)
Machine Gun Crew
Entrenched Troops with rifles - (Lee-Enfield 303)
Cavalry
18 Pounder Gun
4in Howitzer
Observation Balloon - Enhanced for P3
 Revised Trains - Enhanced for P3


German:

A7V Tank - NEW For P3!
Daimler Truck - NEW For P3!
Hay Cart
Refugee
Marching Troops
Soldier with rifle (Mauser) (watch him track and fire at you ;)) - NEW For P3!
Advancing Troops (over no man's land)
Machine Gun Crew
Entrenched Troops with rifles - (Mauser)
Cavalry
Guns
Observation Balloon 1 - NEW For P3!
Observation Balloon 2 - NEW For P3!
Revised Trains - Enhanced for P3


 <hr style="color: rgb(78, 133, 87);" size="1"> CFS3 Engine Dymanics and Improvements


* * * ALL NEW FOR PHASE 3!: * * *


1) NEW For P3!: Revised parameters to help ensure that the AI fly the craft with correct WW1 settings... including:

1.1) NEW For P3!: AI Take-offs now perfected – full throttle takeoff runs with reduced rotation speed - AI now take-off using the mission takeoff directive.

1.2) NEW For P3!: AI dog fighting totally overhauled greatly improved - be amazed at the new AI performance - it really is a fight for your life scenario if you run into skilled enemy AI pilots.

1.3) NEW For P3!: AI cruising now set to realistic WW1 speeds.

1.4) NEW For P3!: Player can now warp (optional) when at 60Mph.

2) NEW For P3!: Resolution of the occasional CFS3 weird 'weightless flight dynamics' of player craft when it is disabled - fixed.

3) NEW For P3!: Burning craft flying on - fixed.

4) NEW For P3!: Long range sniping is greatly reduced.

5) NEW For P3!: Gun Jams built in.

6) NEW For P3!: Destroyed or Dead planes don't shoot.

7) NEW For P3!: AI only shoots when they mean it - no shooting for 'sound effects'

8) NEW For P3!: Outcomes data ensures that the Wrapper knows exactly where the player landed and resolves captivity criteria.

9) NEW For P3!: Outcomes data enables player selected, dynamic replay, of the last flown mission in great detail - find out really what happened - did you shoot down that DR1 or was it the allied machine gun crew on the hill? Mission replay lets you know the grisly facts in a Play Pause Continue type environment.

10) NEW For P3!: 'Enter direct to Mission' from Wrapper - exit direct to Wrapper on mission conclusion.

11) NEW For P3!: Ongoing optimization of core functions.

12) NEW For P3!: Further dog fighting improvements

13) NEW For P3!: Improved manoeuvring tactics

14) NEW For P3!: Improved AI ‘manager’

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Original exclusive Phase 3 Music:

NEW For P3!: Now with exclusive Original Score by MATT MILNE.


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