Paths of Hate

[warchild]

"Us"?
Last time I checked life was a single player game.
Unless, of course, you are a schizophrenic or have multiple personalities. Then it's clearly a "hot seat" mode.

We all have multiple personalities. A personality for friends, a personality for work, a personality for strangers , it goes on. Everyone has them. They are caused by perceived expectations and levels of trust and betrayal. We are raised, do what we're told, follow the rules, tow the line and dont make waves, and so we deviate from who we really are in our base need of acknowledgment and acceptance. Fear of being alone. Fear of being shunned, fear of being disliked, fear of being "different". fear of being held responsible for actually caring because that takes more real courage, than killing a man. But we are all different, all unique, all very special. We cannot, nor should we ever try to escape that, even when like so many of us, your differences make you a hunted animal, chosen for the sport of others simply because they fear you might blow them a kiss.

::chuckles:: i'm not called warchild for nothing..

 

[deathfromafar]

Intense! Grabbed me inside in a strange unsettling way, standing outside looking back in (perspective). Deep breath, silence........

 

[Roger]

Ooops...

 

[CodyValkyrie]

Wow, that was intense. Definitely something that you can be introspective about. That was quite a brilliant video, and extremely well made. You can draw a lot of conclusions from that video for sure. What I found interesting was the producer purposely made the film about WWII pilots. That was a war that took on a whole new meaning, so there does seem to be an agenda somewhat. Either way, I did find the short film to be engrossing and thought provoking, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Helldiver]

Baloney to all this soul searching crap. It's war and your given a job to do. It's totally impersonal as ths film would have you believe. You go out and do the best you can. Hate has nothing to do with it. Don't read any more into it than there really is. Hopefully you shoot the other plane down before he does it to you.
End of statement.

 

[Warrant]

Ooops...

Bjoern's link still works fine.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforu...-Paths-of-Hate&p=633140&viewfull=1#post633140

 

[Killbilly]

Baloney to all this soul searching crap. It's war and your given a job to do. It's totally impersonal as ths film would have you believe. You go out and do the best you can. Hate has nothing to do with it. Don't read any more into it than there really is. Hopefully you shoot the other plane down before he does it to you.
End of statement.

Well, you're certainly entitled to that opinion; and I'm sure that many people were (and are) able to keep it "professional" and impersonal. However, my grandfather watched his two best friends die. It became VERY personal for him after that. He took a personal satisfaction from killing the enemy. To the day he died, years and years later, he couldn't even look at people of a certain nationality without feeling anger. One of my good friends, missing both his legs and many of his fingers due to a booby-trap in Vietnam, has only recently let his personal hatred of the enemy go. My nephew just returned from his second tour in Afghanistan. It's certainly personal for him, and he has a difficult time being around people who remind him of the Afghans. There are many, many personal accounts from soldiers (including pilots) for whom the fighting became personal and who talk about hating the enemy. It's part of our nature. Boxing matches, basketball games, and even chess matches often start out cool and professional, but then turn personal.
The film, in my opinion, is not about war or a dogfight. It uses war and the fight as a metaphor for what happens when conflicts turn personal and people refuse to let go. Honestly, as I watched, I found myself thinking of someone with whom I've been in a running argument for about twelve years. It's probably time I let it go, but it would be very hard. Maybe I need to do a little more soul searching rather than a little less.
However, as I said, you have your experiences to draw from and your opinion is valid. Just don't discount others' opinions because they differ. :salute:

 

[Marvin Carter]

My old Sensei would also say, if that don't work, Kill them all and let what ever they have for a Bajeeses sort it out. Just had to love that old man!!!

 

[Bjoern]

Oh, no. In my opinion psychology is something transpersonal, at least. You always interact with others, and are always embedded in some kind of peer group. I think Pam is right with her statement.
Look at that video. There's an personal seeming inter-relationship at first, which is an interaction, not a single player game. It transcends towards an universal violence probably only found among humans at the end. The reasons are embedded in cultural, religious or other motives, look at the end of the video, with the shapes of all kind of stereotype fighters coming up.

The term "single player game" refers to control. You are only in control of yourself and the others are NPCs (non-player characters) that ultimately can't be controlled by you. The only thing you can do is interact with them (say manipulate them), but all along you're in the game for yourself.

Violence isn't unique to humans. Thanks to our mental capabilities we just managed exercising it more sophisticated.
The basics, "me or him", "us or they", are no different from wolves, apes or elephants. If you gave lions guns, drones and tanks, they would use them no differently than we do.

We cannot, nor should we ever try to escape that, even when like so many of us, your differences make you a hunted animal, chosen for the sport of others simply because they fear you might blow them a kiss.

Note to self: Blow kisses to strangers and note reactions. :>

What I found interesting was the producer purposely made the film about WWII pilots.

Audience service, I think.
I wouldn't say that the real air battles between the RAF and LW were this emotional.
For sheer hate, a firefight on the eastern front, preferably between SS and Guards troops would have been more suitable, but a 109 and Spitfire might be more recognizable than a K98 and a PPSh.

 

[warchild]

no, the animals would not. Its a quite well known fact that only primates kill each other for sport or greed.. We are primates, Lions are feline and therefore self appointed gods and above it all.. dont believe me?? ask your cat, and watch his reaction ::lol:;...
Seriously though, no one in my experience is an NPC. I am made stronger and more capable by those who stand beside me. Who I support, and who support me. Having been on the recieving end of all that hate I mentioned earlier, and having to contiue being on the receiving end of it ( what, you thought i was always a girl?? come on, what girl knows then chamber pressure of am M-16?/ ) I do beliee I have a rather unique understanding. but Hate is most assuredly fear ( an emotion I have no time for any more ). It is the abject rejection of seeking an understanding and a willingness to use whatever violence is mandated to support it.
Hate, prejudice, laziness and fear are all bull****, irregardless of the cost of taking the initiative to reach out, step forward and be unafraid.

 

[jp]

Ok, work with me Im slow... But I think that when the screen becomes bathed in red, it is more illustrating the inner hatred the pilots feel towards each other, and it is not what is happening in the real world, but illustrates the lengths that hatred is capable of driving people to. Also, I agree with Helldiver's view that these men viewed it as their job, it was probably an impersonal war in which the men were fighting a broad, faceless enemy, and as such little emotion was attached to their enemies. Also, you can search for, and find many examples of people "keeping it professional", through small acts of mercy and kindness that do not reflect the level of hatred portrayed in this short film.

 

[warchild]

Well, i see that they finally yanked the version on the site Bjeorn had posted.. If I may be snide, it seems that apparently their movie is too good to be seen by the unwashed masses.. How sad..

 

[deathfromafar]

Baloney to all this soul searching crap. It's war and your given a job to do. It's totally impersonal as ths film would have you believe. You go out and do the best you can. Hate has nothing to do with it. Don't read any more into it than there really is. Hopefully you shoot the other plane down before he does it to you.
End of statement.

It's different for each person depending on what they faced/saw and a host of other personality traits. Myself and many of my family members have served in times of war going back to relatives who served in WW1 and 2. I have nephews who served in Iraq and currently Afghanistan. I never saw it effect any of them the same and just when I thought some of them weren't badly scared by it, the scars came raging to the surface. It's not normal for human beings to idly accept casting themselves into such hellish conditions nor to inflict or accept death and destruction against fellow human beings. If remorse and apprehension of committing oneself to such things didn't exist within, I'd tend to think there'd be no soul searching or conscience, we would become the inhumane antithesis of all good things we believe in. But you're right, it is a job and one designed to keep such hell(hopefully) safely away from the masses and our way of life.

The video had a lot of meaning buried inside of it. It's not easy to explain, I neither embrace or reject it's meaning.

 

[roger-wilco-66]

What I found interesting was the producer purposely made the film about WWII pilots.
[...]

He explained this in his presentation at the SIGGRAPH convention. He has a passion for aviation and old aircraft, and was inspired by pictures of the vapor trails that aircraft left in aerial battles in the sky.
See http://www.itsartmag.com/features/pathshatemo/

Cheers,
Mark

 

[strykerpsg]

Baloney to all this soul searching crap. It's war and your given a job to do. It's totally impersonal as ths film would have you believe. You go out and do the best you can. Hate has nothing to do with it. Don't read any more into it than there really is. Hopefully you shoot the other plane down before he does it to you.
End of statement.

 

[Bjoern]

no, the animals would not. Its a quite well known fact that only primates kill each other for sport or greed.. We are primates, Lions are feline and therefore self appointed gods and above it all.. dont believe me?? ask your cat, and watch his reaction ::lol:;...

"Sport" and "greed" can all be traced back to primal insticts.

Sport ist just hunting without eating the carcass. Or without having an imminent threat to one's territory, existence or peer group.
Greed is just about the same. Stockpiling for bad times to ensure survival.

The difference being, that apparently with a higher mental processing capability, animals tend to do this without immediate need. To stay sharp, to keep their instincts at bay or whatever.

Seriously though, no one in my experience is an NPC. I am made stronger and more capable by those who stand beside me. Who I support, and who support me.

Sure, a group is always more prone to ensure survival of everone in it in a hostile environment. The need for being in one though, greatly diminishes once the environment is perfectly safe though.

And still, despite (temporarily) aiming for the same goals, ultimately everone is in it for him-/herself and will, more or less, betray you. (The "F***, you buddy" principle.)

Take kids, for example. You raise 'em to basically be as much of a copy of you (kind of getting a bonus life in Super Mario) as you can achieve, but once they can survive on their own in this world, they're off to do whatever *they* want to and subsequently adapt to their new environment.

( what, you thought i was always a girl?? come on, what girl knows then chamber pressure of am M-16?/ )

Those serving in the military? Those spending their time on shooting ranges?

but Hate is most assuredly fear ( an emotion I have no time for any more ).

Yes, it is. And if it's just fear of, or compensation for, weakness(es).

Hate, prejudice, laziness and fear are all bull****, irregardless of the cost of taking the initiative to reach out, step forward and be unafraid.

In modern society, it sure is. Still, there's a group even for those who hate and are prejudiced and lazy. BUT getting along with everyone (or at least trying) gets you way farther than a narrow mindset these days.

Well, i see that they finally yanked the version on the site Bjeorn had posted.. If I may be snide, it seems that apparently their movie is too good to be seen by the unwashed masses.. How sad..

They just underestimate the PR potential of the internet. They always do.

 

[CodyValkyrie]

The video keeps getting yanked for copyright infringement.

If I may be so bold, there are certainly things I "hate." I do however believe that everything should be in balance, and balancing anger and hate is part of that system. For example, I hate it when my cat decides to take a pee outside of her litter box.... but it doesn't mean I turn her into set of furry new slippers. This is about controlling anger more than anything else I feel.

 

[DarrenL]

The trailers are still online (for now), if the 10min films are the full films then I can understand them no wanting them online . If they are just longer trailers being pulled for copyright issues I wonder if there is soemthing in them that they are having to change due to a copyright problem on their side, the animation to me looks a lot like rotoscoping where live action film is animated over, think of the 1978 Lord if the Rings and the 2006 film A Scanner Darkly. Perhaps they have used scene footage (animated over) from a film during one point that they didn't have permission to use.

 

[YoYo]

PATHS OF HATE is a short tale about the demons that slumber deep in the human soul and have the power to push people into the abyss of blind hate, fury and rage.

Here new version of this 10min of movie from Poland.

(edited by Roger for potential copywrite issues.)

Enjoy!

 

[Roger]

Thanks YoYo,
Finally got to see it and it is a great work of digital art. It is another work on the "futility of war" showing the ultimate emotion of "hate" is totally destructive. Not a new message but beautifully crafted. I suppose it represents more the hate of the impotent non-combatant in a dream of combat rather than the emotions displayed by most actual combatants.