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Piper Aztec Steams ahead

pilto von pilto said:
I understand the lack of FSX:SE prohibiting a person from buying a SE exclusive. What is odd, to me at least, is the decision to never buy another product from a producer based on one products availability or otherwise. Which is what Cirrus N210MS is saying. That's a bit like saying " Since you made the P-26 for x-plane and I dont have x-plane I'm never going to buy any of your products ( future or otherwise ) that are for the sim I do own".

That doesnt make sense to me.

And thick skin is a requirement for both developers and customers. We have thick skins. Have to, some of us live in Australia where either the sun is trying to kill you with melanoma or the insects/ snakes/ random koala bears are.

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bam...right on the nails head. thanks for getting right to the point.
 
TuFun said:
This... you nail it right on the head!

And who makes planes like this at a price point that is very reasonable!!!

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You have nailed it there Ted.

Aeroplane Heaven addons are very affordable. Ii have been buying AH aircraft since the FS9 days and still do when my pension allows it.
 
mmann said:
Maybe someone without FSX:SE was actually planning to buy this? Maybe they don't understand your business decision on this one and are reacting by simply voting with their wallets.
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Exactly. I was hopina that AH would test if they had potential to sell more Aztec that Alabeo. For me it looks like they didn't want to do that. We can only speculate what was the reason for that...
 
"Raising my hand back in the corner". . .ooh, ohh, ohh. I'd like to ask what may seem a stupid question, but what exactly is the difference between an aircraft built "exclusively" for FSX/Steam and one built for FSX?
 
None Falcon. The Aztec was tested fully in FSX and P3D before we decided on Steam. Steam is the delivery system or what is called downloadable content or DLC.
There are no differences in the model..:engel016:
 
bazzar said:
None Falcon. The Aztec was tested fully in FSX and P3D before we decided on Steam. Steam is the delivery system or what is called downloadable content or DLC.
There are no differences in the model..:engel016:
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Thank you sir!
 
Bazza, do you build everything with the FSX SDK?
I know some developers (eg Milviz) build seperate versions for Prepar3D with the Prepar3D SDK...and of course sell them as two seperate models.
But I think FSX-SE uses the FSX SDK unchanged.

Meanwhile I'll wait for the next sale to get your Aztec in SE, saving my money for the Dove which is a must-have (and must be Prepar3D installable)!

Cheers
Keith
 
JimmyRFR said:
Except.... we're not talking about purely rational criticism. And as for opinions, as the say goes - opinions are like...

In addition, we're also talking about a developer that continually engages with the community. Want them to stop doing that? Want to create a hostile, toxic environment that they no longer want to be part of? Being a customer does not, in my opinion, give anyone the right to act with a lack of basic decency and respect.

Some of the concerns raised in this thread are expressions of valid thought and respectful opinions. Others, not so much...
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puppy dogs and unicorn taints it is then! By your rational my opinion should not be allowed because it wasn't "nice enough". I'll still offer it because I am one of their customers and I would assume they want customer feedback. It seems though that they have now become Dovetail's customer. Pretty obvious as a matter of fact.
 
keithb77 said:
Bazza, do you build everything with the FSX SDK?
I know some developers (eg Milviz) build seperate versions for Prepar3D with the Prepar3D SDK...and of course sell them as two seperate models.
But I think FSX-SE uses the FSX SDK unchanged.

Meanwhile I'll wait for the next sale to get your Aztec in SE, saving my money for the Dove which is a must-have (and must be Prepar3D installable)!

Cheers
Keith
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Not everything Keith no, depends on the end use. Dove will be P3D compatible as with all our upcoming developments. BTW it's not technically our Dove anymore it's Just Flight's which if jandmbear is to be believed, would make us Just Flight's customer, obviously.:engel016:
 
Firekitten said:
Oh Steam isn't a closed environment.

Within your steam folder, common, FSX folder it's the same folder structure as FSX has always been, and just as flexible and open inside.

Steam as a platform is epic. I use it for all my gaming. I LOVE the idea of having my addons in steam too, to just redownload at the click of a button on any pc I choose to put FSX on, but I moved on from FSX, so meh.

Bazzar: A tip, you've made your point abundantly clear, believe me, I totally undersand this choice, from your position as developers, you must do what puts bread on the table, and what means a more secure future for you and your staff. We the customer don't dictate that, no customer should.

But stop repeatedly insisting the same point about it being a business decision every time someone challenges you. You're in the right here, they want an answer? read up to your last post. They can see what you said. Stand behind your words and don't feel you need to defend yourself repeatedly. Your money, your business, your choice.

Anyway, you said very clearly above exactly what most missed... you believe once someone 'buys' something, it's theirs to do with as they wish.

I just hope FSX SE's installation pathway in the installer isn't calling for the SE.exe and can be pointed at say... my fsx:SE instalation on my... erm, desktop? :D Then we're talking.
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IMHO, this is the most intelligent post in this thread so far. No reasons to get angry or upset and no reason to defend anything.
 
I suppose if they find that they sell very few copies of the Aztec by Steam alone, it will be a lesson learned.
 
This thread has been educational for me. I don't have or use Steam. Actually because of the multitude of possibilities available (FSX, P3D 2.5 and P3D v3) I have not even looked at it. Thanks for all the input helping me to understand what Steam is and how it is used. Bazzar, thanks for all you do for our hobby. Looking forward to your releases before Jan 1 and next year. :encouragement:
 
I, for one, think that Steam is great. For $5 I don't have to worry about scratched disks, etc. I also find the prices for addons at Steam very reasonable, most under $20 and many under $10.

i think this is a way that someone can calculate how much business can be attained through Steam vs. other means. It also cuts down on pirating as some new releases are on the boards before the first day of release is over. Good luck to Bazzar and I hope that we can get some kind of feedback on how this works.

is there going to be a P3D version released?

one last comment. There should be a dedicated place for Steam instead of just a rehash of FSX:SE problems on the FSX board.

just my penny's worth.

Bob
 
I am using FSX boxed. So I must admit that I'm a little miffed at AH's decision to market their Aztec exclusively on Steam - but only because the AH Aztec looks like a very nice plane. If it were crappy, I wouldn't care.
 
Alabeo's looks pretty promising. Since they won't require me to buy a different version of the same sim I already have, I'll be buying theirs..
 
Entirely your prerogative and exactly what we expect. Choice is what keeps us all going and should be supported.:engel016:
 
For those crying tears into their breakfast cereal over the Aztec there is an aircraft so close to the Aztec that externally there is only a minor difference. Have a look at the Eaglesoft Twin Commanche. Works fine in FSX and P3D V3.

I have had it for several years now and only reinstalled it in FS Steam for comparison to the Aztec while I was testing it for Bazz. From a distance they are almost identical unless you look closely at the engine nacelles.

Also I think that some people here need to review their posts before they post them. Some are bordering on Developer bashing which will only send them away. It is a developers choice as to where they sell their products. I actually see no difference between Just Flight commissioning Aeroplane Heaven to produce aircraft for them of it is DTG. Bazz has been around since the FS9 days producing some wonderful models. As a matter of fact I have most of them but these days being an aged pensioner with health and mobility problems I have to be selective with what I buy whether it is AH, JF, Carenado or even ORBX.

So I suggest you be very careful with your critism as we do not want to see this great hobby die because a few hot heads have driven all the developers away.
 
That's easy to say for someone who's a beta tester and has FSX:SE!

It wouldn't be the end of the world if AH went exclusively to Steam but it could be considered a slap in the face for their loyal followers who don't have that particular platform. Doesn't bother me as I'm also careful what I buy and don't want an Aztec. I didn't buy the B17 or Electra either but I did buy the F3F and will buy the Hawk when it's available at JF. Some folk are more easily wound up than others I guess:biggrin-new:
ATB
DaveB:)
 
I have FSX-SE but i´m not buying DLC´s. I prefer buy the planes "the old way". I don´t know if they correct it, but the DLC instalation process was horrible and more than one time it corrupted my .cfg´s files.
 
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