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Piper Pacer Super Pack, releasing!
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Ive often had a wasted flight so I know how they would have felt! LOL
Hi folks,
Well, i was drawn into the Pacer-mania here too. I bought the package and was first impressed, then a bit disappointed and after installing the patch impressed again. Let me tell you what my 2 cents are:
After a quick spin around the block i found the behaviour of that bird a wee bit sluggish. Heavy as a bag of cement and responsive to inputs like a pregnant duck. I soon found out that my Saitek-Cessna yoke had to be adjusted for the Pacer and now it responds to aileron inputs as it should. Rudder pedals should also be adjusted to more sensitivity, that leads to more quick reactions on the ground as well as during the t/o run. Anyway, the Pacer can really be flown "to the numbers", i have found pireps in the depths of the internet and i'm impressed that the Pacer addon matches the descriptions there well. One has to think "Cessna 172" instead of "Supercub" and treat the Pacer accordingly. Now i'm happy with my flying.
Then i noticed the ignition key not working, but that was a minor problem for me because i'm using the Saitek switch panel.
Now after installing the update patch, i find the Pacer acting like a charm. I second Dieters (kdl) report of the appearance of the old style gauges too, i find them not so crisp, but that's a personal impression. Therefore i like the "bush-panel" very much. It reflects an old fifties plane flown in the twentyfirst century in a pefect way and with the possibilities to switch the panels between models, there is plenty of playground here.
And that implementation of the bush-panel leads to a discovery which is probably very usefull to any of the repainters here:
In the folder "Piper_Pacer_LHC_180" (the standard tail dragger) you have a panel folder for the bush panel. It contains only the alias to the bush panel in the bush wheel version. Now if you change any of the versions to the bush panel, the plane disappears from the FSX menu completely. But cross checking with the FS Repaint programme shows me that nothing is wrong with the aircraft.cfg entires. What the heck ...
I copied the entire bush panel folder from the bush wheel version into the standard taildragger directory, thus overwriting the config that aliases. Now the altered standard tail draggers with the implemented bush panel show up the way they should. Now with that issue setteled i can start repainting ...
Well, the Pacer is worth the bucks. Of course it does not sport Carenado style textures nor has it RealAir flight dynamics. But it gives you plenty of variants and paints, it flies easy with no frills but gives an experienced flight simmer enough work to drive it down correctly. It's not a beginners aircraft but well balanced and challanging for the backcountry and bush flying enthusiast.
I may sum up my remarks with this: It's not A2A, it's not Carenado, it's not RealAir. It's Lionheart!
Well done Bill, thanks a lot!
Cheers,
Well, i was drawn into the Pacer-mania here too. I bought the package and was first impressed, then a bit disappointed and after installing the patch impressed again. Let me tell you what my 2 cents are:
After a quick spin around the block i found the behaviour of that bird a wee bit sluggish. Heavy as a bag of cement and responsive to inputs like a pregnant duck. I soon found out that my Saitek-Cessna yoke had to be adjusted for the Pacer and now it responds to aileron inputs as it should. Rudder pedals should also be adjusted to more sensitivity, that leads to more quick reactions on the ground as well as during the t/o run. Anyway, the Pacer can really be flown "to the numbers", i have found pireps in the depths of the internet and i'm impressed that the Pacer addon matches the descriptions there well. One has to think "Cessna 172" instead of "Supercub" and treat the Pacer accordingly. Now i'm happy with my flying.
Then i noticed the ignition key not working, but that was a minor problem for me because i'm using the Saitek switch panel.
Now after installing the update patch, i find the Pacer acting like a charm. I second Dieters (kdl) report of the appearance of the old style gauges too, i find them not so crisp, but that's a personal impression. Therefore i like the "bush-panel" very much. It reflects an old fifties plane flown in the twentyfirst century in a pefect way and with the possibilities to switch the panels between models, there is plenty of playground here.
And that implementation of the bush-panel leads to a discovery which is probably very usefull to any of the repainters here:
In the folder "Piper_Pacer_LHC_180" (the standard tail dragger) you have a panel folder for the bush panel. It contains only the alias to the bush panel in the bush wheel version. Now if you change any of the versions to the bush panel, the plane disappears from the FSX menu completely. But cross checking with the FS Repaint programme shows me that nothing is wrong with the aircraft.cfg entires. What the heck ...
I copied the entire bush panel folder from the bush wheel version into the standard taildragger directory, thus overwriting the config that aliases. Now the altered standard tail draggers with the implemented bush panel show up the way they should. Now with that issue setteled i can start repainting ...
Well, the Pacer is worth the bucks. Of course it does not sport Carenado style textures nor has it RealAir flight dynamics. But it gives you plenty of variants and paints, it flies easy with no frills but gives an experienced flight simmer enough work to drive it down correctly. It's not a beginners aircraft but well balanced and challanging for the backcountry and bush flying enthusiast.
I may sum up my remarks with this: It's not A2A, it's not Carenado, it's not RealAir. It's Lionheart!
Well done Bill, thanks a lot!
Cheers,
Can anyone who flew a Piper Carribean confirm this? I remember as a Kid flying in one loads of times and the pilot letting me fly it. He pointed out that for some reason the control column was connected to the pedals which struck me as odd at the time. Was this a fact or is my memory playing me up?!
Interconnected Controls
That is correct.. All Tri-Pacers had interconnected controls. They were connected by bungee cords and could be overridden. The Pacers and, interestingly, the Colt did not. The idea with the Tri-Pacer was to produce a family airplane that "anyone" could fly. The Colt, being a trainer, did noy get them.
Wayne
That is correct.. All Tri-Pacers had interconnected controls. They were connected by bungee cords and could be overridden. The Pacers and, interestingly, the Colt did not. The idea with the Tri-Pacer was to produce a family airplane that "anyone" could fly. The Colt, being a trainer, did noy get them.
Wayne
Unfortunately, for now, negative. I had also had requests for the squared rear windows. Already the project grew to a huge package; 4 variants, 3 panels. Sorry Dave. You already have 33 planes.
Hi folks,
Well, i was drawn into the Pacer-mania here too. I bought the package and was first impressed, then a bit disappointed and after installing the patch impressed again. Let me tell you what my 2 cents are:
After a quick spin around the block i found the behaviour of that bird a wee bit sluggish. Heavy as a bag of cement and responsive to inputs like a pregnant duck. I soon found out that my Saitek-Cessna yoke had to be adjusted for the Pacer and now it responds to aileron inputs as it should. Rudder pedals should also be adjusted to more sensitivity, that leads to more quick reactions on the ground as well as during the t/o run. Anyway, the Pacer can really be flown "to the numbers", i have found pireps in the depths of the internet and i'm impressed that the Pacer addon matches the descriptions there well. One has to think "Cessna 172" instead of "Supercub" and treat the Pacer accordingly. Now i'm happy with my flying.
Then i noticed the ignition key not working, but that was a minor problem for me because i'm using the Saitek switch panel.
Now after installing the update patch, i find the Pacer acting like a charm. I second Dieters (kdl) report of the appearance of the old style gauges too, i find them not so crisp, but that's a personal impression. Therefore i like the "bush-panel" very much. It reflects an old fifties plane flown in the twentyfirst century in a pefect way and with the possibilities to switch the panels between models, there is plenty of playground here.
And that implementation of the bush-panel leads to a discovery which is probably very usefull to any of the repainters here:
In the folder "Piper_Pacer_LHC_180" (the standard tail dragger) you have a panel folder for the bush panel. It contains only the alias to the bush panel in the bush wheel version. Now if you change any of the versions to the bush panel, the plane disappears from the FSX menu completely. But cross checking with the FS Repaint programme shows me that nothing is wrong with the aircraft.cfg entires. What the heck ...
I copied the entire bush panel folder from the bush wheel version into the standard taildragger directory, thus overwriting the config that aliases. Now the altered standard tail draggers with the implemented bush panel show up the way they should. Now with that issue setteled i can start repainting ...
Well, the Pacer is worth the bucks. Of course it does not sport Carenado style textures nor has it RealAir flight dynamics. But it gives you plenty of variants and paints, it flies easy with no frills but gives an experienced flight simmer enough work to drive it down correctly. It's not a beginners aircraft but well balanced and challanging for the backcountry and bush flying enthusiast.
I may sum up my remarks with this: It's not A2A, it's not Carenado, it's not RealAir. It's Lionheart!
Well done Bill, thanks a lot!
Cheers,
Thanks Maloney for the kind words. I hope they serve you well.
Bill
GLAZY INSTRUMENTS GLASS DISCS: CLEARABLE
Ok, here is the scoop. In the past, I received border line hate mail on having nearly invisible glass, some calling it missing glass. So I started increasing reflections, using the tricks that Microsoft use for interiors. I started messing with the gauges discs (glass over the instruments). Some awesome breakthroughs for me. But I knew with the latest version, I probably stretched it, so I made it clickable and cleanable.
But..... I am still getting some complaints. I can understand that though, so I have created a fix. I did this for a gentleman the other day. This is a super lite version of the Alpha which makes the glass' texture on 'Clean' to appear nearly invisible. All you have to do is drop this in each of the 'texture' folders of each plane. (Not the paint schemes, but only the main 'base' texture folder of each Pacer, four Pacer folders, 4 base texture folders, one each).
Now, if you like the 'Clean' windows as they are (very very slight reflections), and you do not wish to change that, only the gauges, then grab GIMP if you do not have it, or some program that can change your graphics for you in DDS with Alpha channels, go into the Pacer_Plexi3.DDS texture, select the Alpha channel, select all of the discs along the top, and make them almost pure white. I would select a very lite gray, but its up to you. Now, pure white will make the glass invisible, which is what one of you were saying looked nice of the 2D panel instruments. This is the route to go.
To download the pre-done Pacer_Plexi3.DDS Modification, click here.
Ok, here is the scoop. In the past, I received border line hate mail on having nearly invisible glass, some calling it missing glass. So I started increasing reflections, using the tricks that Microsoft use for interiors. I started messing with the gauges discs (glass over the instruments). Some awesome breakthroughs for me. But I knew with the latest version, I probably stretched it, so I made it clickable and cleanable.
But..... I am still getting some complaints. I can understand that though, so I have created a fix. I did this for a gentleman the other day. This is a super lite version of the Alpha which makes the glass' texture on 'Clean' to appear nearly invisible. All you have to do is drop this in each of the 'texture' folders of each plane. (Not the paint schemes, but only the main 'base' texture folder of each Pacer, four Pacer folders, 4 base texture folders, one each).
Now, if you like the 'Clean' windows as they are (very very slight reflections), and you do not wish to change that, only the gauges, then grab GIMP if you do not have it, or some program that can change your graphics for you in DDS with Alpha channels, go into the Pacer_Plexi3.DDS texture, select the Alpha channel, select all of the discs along the top, and make them almost pure white. I would select a very lite gray, but its up to you. Now, pure white will make the glass invisible, which is what one of you were saying looked nice of the 2D panel instruments. This is the route to go.
To download the pre-done Pacer_Plexi3.DDS Modification, click here.
Orange. That looks like a classic paint job. The blue bottom doesn't look right to me and is maybe too "busy."
I'll say again, I LOVE the gauges. Adds a lot of realism.
And as for the comparison to Carenado, I'll take this package over any of theirs any day. May not be quite as crisp, graphically, but its a better package as a whole.
Seems to have a more realistic flying model than the Carenado's, but just my opinion. Really a fine model Bill. Looking forwward to many hours of flying.
olderndirt
Charter Member
Piper in their infinite wisdom added a bungee interconnect between ailerons and rudder on the PA22. Relieved the pilot of the bother of a coordinated turn.
must have been annoying when having to use opposite rudder?
thunder100
Charter Member 2010
Bill
I cannot understand what could be wrong on the glass,as long as somebody understood on how to use it.The only TINY downside is that once you hoover with the mouse over it you get that "windows is busy circle",which may annoy somebody.So it there are needs for fix at ALL,I would move the cleaning clickspot somewhere away from front window or away from window at all.
But then again TINY,TINY
I fly the classic panel in the Tripacer (historically incorrect) which is very nice and would hope that some of the painters would colour the classic panel in body colour as well
Great fun to fly
Roland
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your efforts to honor the wishes of your customers.
With your Pacer_Plexi3.DDS modification the "gauges problem" should to be adjusted. So there is still the choice of used and worn plexi-glass.
I do not understand why users addressing hate mails to you. Fortunately SimOuthouse is a forum where even an honest word and frankly speaking is allowed.
I also would like to clarify that my question regarding "clear" gauges never were a complaint but a purely expression of my personal feeling.
And hopefully I could express myself this way.
Dieter
Thank you for your efforts to honor the wishes of your customers.
With your Pacer_Plexi3.DDS modification the "gauges problem" should to be adjusted. So there is still the choice of used and worn plexi-glass.
I do not understand why users addressing hate mails to you. Fortunately SimOuthouse is a forum where even an honest word and frankly speaking is allowed.
I also would like to clarify that my question regarding "clear" gauges never were a complaint but a purely expression of my personal feeling.
And hopefully I could express myself this way.
Dieter
I just read a review of this excellent model over on AirDailyX. He was also complaining about the clarity of the glass. I don't get it! We ask for realistic models, and when we get them we complain! I'm not singling out anyone in this thread, rather referring to the mentioned "hate mail" and this absurd review.
http://airdailyx.blogspot.com/2012/11/rejected.html#more
This is a ridiculous review. He admits the FDE is very good, and the graphics are very good quality, and faults it for visibility!? It's a model of a plane with poor visibility!! The gauges are quite realistic. They look just like the gauges in my 1946 Aeronca Chief, which is a very similar plane and has poor visibility! The manual is included. The clean plexi feature does indeed bring the clarity of vision out the windshield to about as good as you can get for an old airplane like this. "Not a luxury model"?! Well, duh, no the Piper Pacer is not a luxury airplane. This is just about the most realistic model of a classic aircraft out there and his critique is basically whining because its not a different airplane than the original.
I'm glad I'm not a developer. It wouldn't be good for my blood pressure. I'll say it again: Thanks, Bill, for this excellent and realistic model.
http://airdailyx.blogspot.com/2012/11/rejected.html#more
This is a ridiculous review. He admits the FDE is very good, and the graphics are very good quality, and faults it for visibility!? It's a model of a plane with poor visibility!! The gauges are quite realistic. They look just like the gauges in my 1946 Aeronca Chief, which is a very similar plane and has poor visibility! The manual is included. The clean plexi feature does indeed bring the clarity of vision out the windshield to about as good as you can get for an old airplane like this. "Not a luxury model"?! Well, duh, no the Piper Pacer is not a luxury airplane. This is just about the most realistic model of a classic aircraft out there and his critique is basically whining because its not a different airplane than the original.
I'm glad I'm not a developer. It wouldn't be good for my blood pressure. I'll say it again: Thanks, Bill, for this excellent and realistic model.