Russian Airliners?

Let us know how that goes!

Also, I'm hoping Mr. Konovalov is indeed making a Tu-154!
Looking forward to it! (Maybe by Christmas or something? Who knows?)

EDIT: Barring the horrible automatic translation from Google, it look's like Konovalov is somehow going to be porting over PT's 154B2. Not sure if he is making it FSX-Native or just doing some work to make it fully functional.

Kirill Konovalov (2 days ago): Tu-204 this year will not be exact. I do not know how in the next, I do not know ... It depends on Andrei and Dmitri more. For the remaining projects. Tu-154 project is the porting of PT-154B-2 in FSX. We are working on. Once I will not say - out of my hands. depends more on how quickly I will withdraw from the PNA variables for the remaining part of the VC. VC is fully clickable and three-dimensional. The rest, well you already know what the PT-154B-2. At the same time we are working on two projects. Both of them are in a state of "already flies from developers." The second project is also based on the PNA C. Gritsevskogo carried over from the 9-Ki-10 of. Moreover, if all be the second project will provide an opportunity to realize a number of machines that are so well based on its PNA. I will not knowingly do or show, because it will cause quite a predictable reaction, which is not necessary either to me personally or my friends and comrades in the development, or TP, none of those who in one way or another work or work on this project
 
As much as i would love to see the PT TU-154 in FSX,having personally read their desire to not have it ported to FSX, i must question the legality and ethics of such a move.. Its simply not right.. I'm sorry.
Pam
 
Well, he's a rather known name in the Russian sim scene, so I have a feeling that he's in contact with part the PT team over it. He has a well known history with the Ilyushin series, and I believe he's helped other teams with projects.

Also, per the PT forum:

"PT Team greets any specialist who who wants to help us with the development on free-of-charge base, as well as PT Team is goodwilling to help any person or a team (advisorily or giving source materials) who wants to develop Tu-154 for FSX in individual manner which is based on seriousness of their intensions."
 
Thanks Sean. Much appreciated..

On a side note, I downloaded the Vitamin TU-154 listed previously in this thread and loaded it into FSX, but, the VC gauges are all silver. I copied the supplied VC textures to both the panel folder and the texture folder, but no joy, they are still shiny silver.. Does anyone know of an existing fix for this??
Pam
 
warchild said:
...gauges are still shiny silver.. Does anyone know of an existing fix for this??
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Yes this is what I'm trying to fix... I filled up most of the holes in the Vitamin Tu-154M with VC... It looks better but not completely satisfying yet... FPS are dipping in the lows 10 now... but with this version avionics are easier to use: just flip on all the switches on all the 2D panels (overhead, engineer, etc...) and here you go! Too bad VC is not clickable... For the ADI to power up, use the button just on top of the V button on the "RUD" 2D panel (do this last, after the engines are running). I'll try to attach to this message my panel.cfg I've tweaked so far... View attachment 50800

View attachment 50799 View attachment 50802 View attachment 50803

I'm using the 154m_v3_06.air file from a PT version (Project Tupolev)... not sure if it works better or not... but it works!

And I'm using eyepoint = 61.50, -1.50, 4.80

For smoke:

[SMOKESYSTEM]
smoke.0=-33.00, -8.50, 1.00, fx_smoke_f6
smoke.1=-36.00, 0.00, 1.00, fx_smoke_f6
smoke.2=-33.00, 8.50, 1.00, fx_smoke_f6
 
The odd thing is, when i switch to the 2D panel, i get a black screen. Nothings there.. Weird huh??

Just added in your panel config and am running a test.. Thanks Vonstroheim :).. appreciated..
Pam
 
vonstroheim said:
Yes this is what I'm trying to fix... I filled up most of the holes in the Vitamin Tu-154M with VC... It looks better but not completely satisfying yet... FPS are dipping in the lows 10 now... but with this version avionics are easier to use: just flip on all the switches on all the 2D panels (overhead, engineer, etc...) and here you go! Too bad VC is not clickable... For the ADI to power up, use the button just on top of the V button on the "RUD" 2D panel (do this last, after the engines are running). I'll try to attach to this message my panel.cfg I've tweaked so far... View attachment 50800

View attachment 50799 View attachment 50802 View attachment 50803

I'm using the 154m_v3_06.air file from a PT version (Project Tupolev)... not sure if it works better or not... but it works!

And I'm using eyepoint = 61.50, -1.50, 4.80

For smoke:

[SMOKESYSTEM]
smoke.0=-33.00, -8.50, 1.00, fx_smoke_f6
smoke.1=-36.00, 0.00, 1.00, fx_smoke_f6
smoke.2=-33.00, 8.50, 1.00, fx_smoke_f6
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Ohh....looks like one of the most compatible FSX 154s to date!
Let me know when you think you're done with it, and post all necessary files and steps to take in order to get it in the sim properly. This looks like it may be worth trying out.
Also, I noticed a large untextured area on the forward part of the overhead panel. Were you able to fix that at all?

Also, would replacing the double GPS units on the sides of the cockpit with the actual weather radar that the PT comes with work? Not sure if it is compatible with FSX.
(Also may boost frames)
 
Welllll, apparently, i dont have any gauges at all.. Must admit that I havent spent any time looking for them, but with a black 2D panel screen, and no gauges in the VC I can only assume that i'm missing a part of the plane.. I'll have to look around and see what i can figure out..
Pam
 
Well, I have yet to see all of Vonstroheim's resources, but he's using components of the Tu-154M, so make sure you have that on your computer somewhere (not necessarily installed, just to access the files).

http://files.protu-154.net/

It's not going to work just to have the VITAMIN' resources alone.

As for the rest of the technical info on this conversion, that's in his field, I'm just watching! :)
 
Noted on the downloads!

When you get everything sorted how you want, can you toss us a panel.cfg and any other custom files that you've created in order to supplement this?

Also, from my previous post:

Also, I noticed a large untextured area on the forward part of the overhead panel. Were you able to fix that at all?

Also, would replacing the double GPS units on the sides of the cockpit with the actual weather radar that the PT comes with work? Not sure if it is compatible with FSX.
(Also may boost frames)
 
SeanTK said:
Also, would replacing the double GPS units on the sides of the cockpit with the actual weather radar that the PT comes with work? Not sure if it is compatible with FSX.
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The "groza_154_4_01!ICU" radar gauge doesn't show up in FSX... Default GPS is maybe not such a good idea either...

And yes lot's of big holes in the overhead...
 
You guys are awesome. Thank you.. I've got the gauges showing now, but still working out how to get them turned on and working.. Gotta admit, when it comes to panels and such like that, i'm a dummy..
 
warchild said:
...I've got the gauges showing now, but still working out how to get them turned on and working...
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Hunt down all the switches in the 2D panel (mostly hidden in overhead and engineer's) and click on it, all of them... most are just static images, some are active. Mouse cursor changes over the active ones... CTRL+E (autostart) helps a bit after fuel and power are on...

The VC is looking better now, almost no holes, but what an ugly mix-n-match of gauges from various versions of the Tu-154 and other soviet aircrafts...... not too proud of it.. I've made a static dummy radar to fill the void... and patched some holes with fake texture...

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This is the content of my panel folder... You'll have to locate by yourself the missing files at avsimrus or Projet Tupolev website... Most of the other ones are in 41246-Tu-154M-dlya-FSX.zip and the Tu-154M Vitamin with VC is 23722-154-vit.zip (both at avsimrus).

View attachment 50830
And my latest panel.cfg with missing texture and fake radar... View attachment 50831

Was it a good idea to take a day off just to play with this Tu-154 VC panel ? Not sure... I end up with a low-FPS but good looking bird with "lite" russian avionics... and still not FSX native... Nothing to write home about...

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To be continued... maybe...
 
DarrenL said:
Talking of Tu-154s there is this sound pack - http://secure.simmarket.com/tss-tupolev-154m-solview-d-30-soundpack-fsx.phtml

It says "THIS PRODUCT ONLY WORKS 100% with FSX ."

So what Tu-154 is there for FSX? I would have thought if someone has gone to the trouble of producing a sound set costing €13 that there would be a proper FSX version and not an FS9 version that needs work.
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There is not a Tu-154 for FSX, barring this partial home-made port that has been talked about here.
They may have made the soundpack simply because they have access to the real thing somehow.
 
pr945b said:
professor vonstroheim
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Thanks! But a good Tu-154M won't fly in FSX anytime soon... Nor the real one, for that matter... Check this:
http://youtu.be/vcZ2ZPOr5SY

Momtchil, an administrator of the Russian Flight Simulation and Aviation forum at Avsim wrote recently:

"Project Tupolev (PT) have stated that they are not interested in doing aircraft for FSX for the time being, but they have given permission for anyone interested in adapting their planes to FSX.
Suprunov has been working on an FSX version of his Yak-40.
There's rumors that Kirill Konovalov is planning on doing IL-62 and Tu-154 aircraft for FSX (based on the PT planes), but I'm not aware of anything definite, and even if he is - it will likely take some time. [...]
There's also potential future development for An-24 and Tu-134 by Soviet Classic Simulations, but I don't know if this is going to materialise."

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So I think we should arrange an online meeting between the PT team, and developers in our community savvy enough to recompile to native FSX the Tu-154M from the PT source files... But only if Konovalov is not working on it too... Bjoern are you interested?
 
vonstroheim said:
Thanks! But a good Tu-154M won't fly in FSX anytime soon... Nor the real one, for that matter... Check this:
http://youtu.be/vcZ2ZPOr5SY

Momtchil, an administrator of the Russian Flight Simulation and Aviation forum at Avsim wrote recently:

"Project Tupolev (PT) have stated that they are not interested in doing aircraft for FSX for the time being, but they have given permission for anyone interested in adapting their planes to FSX.
Suprunov has been working on an FSX version of his Yak-40.
There's rumors that Kirill Konovalov is planning on doing IL-62 and Tu-154 aircraft for FSX (based on the PT planes), but I'm not aware of anything definite, and even if he is - it will likely take some time. [...]
There's also potential future development for An-24 and Tu-134 by Soviet Classic Simulations, but I don't know if this is going to materialise."

View attachment 50964

So I think we should arrange an online meeting between the PT team, and developers in our community savvy enough to recompile to native FSX the Tu-154M from the PT source files... But only if Konovalov is not working on it too... Bjoern are you interested?
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Luckily we still have some Tu-154s flying about with smaller airlines! That Youtube clip was just a showcase of Malev's 154 retirement. Most majors (Malev, Aeroflot, Pulkovo/Rossiya, etc) have stopped using them, but they're still around!
I saw that same post that basically stated that no one is quite sure what's going on with the state of Russian simulated aviation at this point. It's unfortunate since the airplanes are so unique and different when compared to the the never-ending requests for new 737s and A320s. (Although I welcome a 737-200....that's my exception. haha!)

The Project Tupolev Tu-154b2 and Tu-154M were actually fairly popular with simmers due to their very high levels of complexity. (I guess the accepted term is "PMDG levels of complexity"). PT's -154M representation was actually used at Tupolev headquarters as a procedural trainer at one point. Enough searching through their forums should dig up the photos eventually if they are still being hosted.

That being said, it would be great if a developer with a willingness to take something out of the ordinary would give a Russian jetliner (or turboprop airliner) an extremely detailed, FSX-Native attempt.

I bet that the simulation community wouldn't be so averse to it as some may think, noting the acceptance of the Project Tupolev offerings. We did see many users struggle with it due to the steep learning curve, but I know of very few that gave up. It was a point of pride at one time to know how to handle the Project Tupolev Tu-154 aircraft series, and now it's become an oddity. "Oh, you fly those backward Russian things without an FMC? Wow...that's really strange. They should have focused their efforts on a 7#7 instead."

It's a pipe dream to imagine any significant movement popping up in the form of a request for an FSX-Native jet such as the Tu-134 or 154. (Thought I have seen requests for the 204....but that's only as exciting as yet another 757.)
Though, if there is a chance that an effort towards organizing a mass statement of interest for something of the more unique Russian persuasion (134, 154, Yak-42), I'm all for it and would try to help as much as humanly possible, given my lack of Russian language knowledge, but love for their aviation! :)

In the mean time, we can only hope that Konovlov continues to produce them, that PT team decides to jump back into the game, or that some other developer with the desire to craft something worthy of a systems simulation will step forward in the future. It's probably worthless to put hope in such a thing in a simming world dominated by the acceptance of the "same old tubes", but just maybe it'll payoff in the end.

A direct question, do you, Vonstroheim, (or anyone else reading this for that matter!) have any ideas in mind that would help spark interest in a developer creating a systems-study level Russian (or Ukrainian) aircraft?

P.S. Thanks for the 154 conversion. We both know it's devolved into a simple addon, but it looks nice, and it's the best we have so far. Thanks for your effort!

P.S. (again) Some people may enjoy this Youtube series. Flight To The North (parts 1 through 6) featuring a Tu-154 Flight from Moscow to Murmansk! Here's part 1. The other parts should all be on the sidebar if viewed in Youtube.
 
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