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SHERIFF JOE is at it AGAIN!

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djscoo said:
It is quite obvious that you actually don't know. Arizona actually has the 6th highest population of illegal immigrants in the country. I assure you that the presence of illegal immigrants has much less of an effect on the economy, crime rates, and general well being of citizens than most news sources/prejudiced individuals/politicians would have you believe.
If crime rates are a poor yardstick, then what would be a more proper gauge of his success?
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I was in law enforcement when I came out of the military for a number of years before returning to college. Isn't it strange that now just as then the same youthful punks you put into a "PROGRAM" become career criminals later? The stats are there look it up! Almost without exception every juvenile offender I tried to help with a rehab program actually ended up going to prison as an adult later. I believe in punishment for the unregenerate who consistently offend...Sheriff Joe gets results!

Sorry I was interrupted, most of the kids I caught in crimes were kids of illegals down in Brownsville, Texas. A lot of their parents were already in jail for gang related crime. Now we have gang wars spilling over the border in Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso. Texas will be the next state to get serious about punishment...it's coming!
 
In my view, Sheriff Joe Arpaio is not controversial. He's the epitome of common sense and reason!

The problem is that his common sense approach is uncommon in today's environment.

He isn't cruel. He's frugal and understanding of the point that prison is not supposed to be pleasant.

When a select vocal minority of people complained about inmates in tents in the hot summer weather, Arpaio famously retorted that the US military sheltered troops in similar conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan and these troops did nothing wrong against the law at all to be treated that way!

I have yet to meet anyone who had a cogent thought with which to disagree with the searing logic of that reply!

He runs an efficient jail system that almost pays for itself.

When a law requires him to do something, he finds the most frugal and spartan means to meet the requirements of the law.

In terms of immigation, he merely wants to enforce the federal laws within his county precisely as they are written! Beyond being legal, it is the only ethical thing he can do. He took an solemn oath to support, uphold, and enforce the laws. It is the "sanctuary city" advocates who advocate violating federal law -- not Joe Arpaio.

I had heard about him stepping forward to run the animal shelters. Funny, you won't find many who bestow upon him kudos for finding a more affordable way to not only protect these animals, provide them options for adoption, but also provide meaningful social training and outlets for the select inmates.

I intend never to violate a law and get into one of Sheriff Joe's prisons, but if I did I would love the opportunity to get out and take care of dogs in the shelter. It would be welcome mental therapy. And I think Joe Arpaio knew this benefit, which likely factored into his decision to do it.

Joe Arpaio wants to see his inmates regain their self-respect and respect for the law when they leave his prison. His edict to never return is frankly the only logical attitude for a sherrif to have!

Ken
 
It was frustrating as an officer of the law to see the same illegals you busted for crimes that instead of being punished were simply deported and then see them return to the same streets they committed crimes on before! You feel like looking the other way after a while, but you can't!
 
djscoo said:
It is quite obvious that you actually don't know. Arizona actually has the 6th highest population of illegal immigrants in the country. I assure you that the presence of illegal immigrants has much less of an effect on the economy, crime rates, and general well being of citizens than most news sources/prejudiced individuals/politicians would have you believe.
If crime rates are a poor yardstick, then what would be a more proper gauge of his success?
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Sorry, but this is nothing more than someone's guess, as illegal aliens don't exactly keep any statistic collectors informed of their location.

With regard to the economy - just take a look at Arizona area hospital's uncollectable, outstanding billings !

I think repeatedly being re-elected with an excess of 80% of the votes is a pretty fair yardstick of his - or anyone's - success !
 
txnetcop said:
It was frustrating as an officer of the law to see the same illegals you busted for crimes that instead of being punished were simply deported and then see them return to the same streets they committed crimes on before! You feel like looking the other way after a while, but you can't!
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Bad enough and demoralizing enough when that is the sole problem. Now add in the many vociferous people who openly call people racists and bigots when they simply advocate application of existing laws.

If people don't like the laws, then summon the moral courage and powers of persuasion to lobby a democratic nation to change the laws through the elected legislature.

But, don't call people who want to enforce the laws as they are written anything of a sullying nature. They are simply fulfilling the precise obligations specified under their oaths of office.

Ken
 
Ken Stallings said:
Bad enough and demoralizing enough when that is the sole problem. Now add in the many vociferous people who openly call people racists and bigots when they simply advocate application of existing laws.

If people don't like the laws, then summon the moral courage and powers of persuasion to lobby a democratic nation to change the laws through the elected legislature.

But, don't call people who want to enforce the laws as they are written anything of a sullying nature. They are simply fulfilling the precise obligations specified under their oaths of office.

Ken
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hear hear!
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CybrSlydr said:
I'm beginning to wonder if there's anything that Sheriff can't do.
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Yeah, except maybe give a damn about other human beings and the U.S. Constitution. He seems to me to be nothing but a self-involved, self-absorbed megalomaniac that has kept the voters of Phoenix fooled for years. I guess that that shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

PLEASE! Read and remember the Declaration of Independece, The United States Constitution and ALL the articles of the Bill of Rights!
 
andersel said:
Yeah, except maybe give a damn about other human beings and the U.S. Constitution. He seems to me to be nothing but a self-involved, self-absorbed megalomaniac that has kept the voters of Phoenix fooled for years. I guess that that shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

PLEASE! Read and remember the Declaration of Independece, The United States Constitution and ALL the articles of the Bill of Rights!
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Results count.
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andersel said:
Yeah, except maybe give a damn about other human beings and the U.S. Constitution. He seems to me to be nothing but a self-involved, self-absorbed megalomaniac that has kept the voters of Phoenix fooled for years. I guess that that shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

PLEASE! Read and remember the Declaration of Independece, The United States Constitution and ALL the articles of the Bill of Rights!
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Apparently you haven't read either The United States Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Those prisoners gave most of those up the day they committed their crimes. If punishment is what it takes to keep these low-life scum off the streets then punishment is what is called for! Be a cop for a week in the DANGER ZONE and see if you still have your lofty pie in the sky ideas!
Ted
 
andersel said:
Yeah, except maybe give a damn about other human beings and the U.S. Constitution. He seems to me to be nothing but a self-involved, self-absorbed megalomaniac that has kept the voters of Phoenix fooled for years. I guess that that shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

PLEASE! Read and remember the Declaration of Independece, The United States Constitution and ALL the articles of the Bill of Rights!
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Andersel, I have read all the above, more than once. Can you be more specific as to where you think the sheriff is violating or abusing the Constitution or Bill of Rights? The Declaration of Independence, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with the sheriff's actions.

You have made some rather strong declarative statements. While you are just as entitled to your opinion as txnetcop is to his, I would be interested in how you came to your opinions.
 
As would I. All of his prisoners have been afforded due process, found guilty beyond reasonable doubt and are serving their sentence. Their punishment is harsh, but it is neither cruel nor unusual.
 
The sheriff has many enemies, namely those who do not want certain laws enforced which they find inconvenient to their agendas. Joe enforces whatever is on the books! A large percentage of those public officials that swore to uphold the constitution upon taking office have since ignored, undermined, and demeaned it. That's where our wrath ought to me aimed. Yes Joe sometimes brags and boasts about his accomplishments, who hasen't at one time or another. It's human nature.
 
I must say that Sheriff Arpaio has made a lot of progress as far as how prisons should be run, and the use of people being housed on the tax payers dime. As far as the rate of re-offenders in his area go that is really beyond his control. I think there are enough cush jails out there with all kinds of schools, programs, and other junk to prove that either way you treat them it doesn't work. It is really down to the individual whether they are going to stop commiting these crimes or not. You can give them all the free college, cable tv, and whatever else they want (or in Sheriff Arpaio's case lack there of). Ultimately people make that individual choice that they would rather commit crime, and the benefits of that outweigh the effects of being put back in prison. To me I don't think it really matters what a person is offered while they are incarcerated, because only a small % are going to change. All it took for me was one time and I am determined to never go back again. Don't see why anyone would purposely keep doing stuff knowing that they will go back. Especially if it was as bad as he has made it in AZ. Ah well though. All we can do is keep watching. At least he is trying to keep the burden on the taxpayers down instead of looking at it as a never ending money pit for him to bilk cash from for his system.
 
With regard to his jail policies - please remember he runs the Maricopa County Jail, not a state prison. The difference between the two and their missions is HUGE !

A county jail is generally a temporary facility for those awaiting trial, awaiting transfer to state custody (prison) or sentenced to very short terms, usually for misdemeanor offenses.

It's prison science that gets involved with the concept of rehabilitation and re-integration into society after long-term incarceration, not county/city jails.

His county jail mission is very different, therefore his tactics and policies will be too.

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Toastmaker said:
With regard to his jail policies - please remember he runs the Maricopa County Jail, not a state prison. The difference between the two and their missions is HUGE !

A county jail is generally a temporary facility for those awaiting trial, awaiting transfer to state custody (prison) or sentenced to very short terms, usually for misdemeanor offenses.

It's prison science that gets involved with the concept of rehabilitation and re-integration into society after long-term incarceration, not county/city jails.

His county jail mission is very different, therefore his tactics and policies will be too.

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That's generally true of most County Detention Facilities, Toast...

However....

Maricopa County actually goes above and beyond what most county jails do as well, and does work on rehabilitation.
There are many inmate programs offered, from Anger Management, learning English, to getting GED's and job skills, Substance Abuse, even religious services.

http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Inmate_Programs&page=Adult
 
Toastmaker said:
With regard to his jail policies - please remember he runs the Maricopa County Jail, not a state prison. The difference between the two and their missions is HUGE !

A county jail is generally a temporary facility for those awaiting trial, awaiting transfer to state custody (prison) or sentenced to very short terms, usually for misdemeanor offenses.
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The real key to my concern about the situation is highlighted in red in the quote above.

It is grossly unfair to treat those awaiting trial as though they had already been convicted.
 
andersel said:
Yeah, except maybe give a damn about other human beings and the U.S. Constitution. He seems to me to be nothing but a self-involved, self-absorbed megalomaniac that has kept the voters of Phoenix fooled for years. I guess that that shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

PLEASE! Read and remember the Declaration of Independece, The United States Constitution and ALL the articles of the Bill of Rights!
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You mind being specific as to what he's done that violates any of those 3 documents (one not even being a legal document, first guess is free as to which one that is).

I agree with txnet - put your money where your piehole is.
 
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