Team SAS / SAS / DC-6B CB-17 / Europe

Crash at landing ( ran into the water at the end of runway)

After a very quiet flight I had a horrible final approach ending in the water at the end of the runway.

On approach it started raining and I had not VC Rain fix installed yet.
So I installed the VC Rain texture files that while making an extra turn over the sea.
Climbed above the rain and went down again.
Now the rain looked ok.
See the picture.

Then I started the approach again.
Visibility was very low.
After two goarounds id went down.
Touched too late and rolled over the end of the runway into the water.
Crash.

There is one more error in Duenna that I do not understand.
Maybe becausee baton time say 14 hours ?????????

Correction to Payload = 7825 Kg = 17,254 lbs
I must have made an error when loading the payload.
This what FS showed just before landing.

Landing Weight Duenna: 83087,7 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 10564,8 lbs
Flight time Duenna = 04:40:45
 
I will assume that I can continue with a 1 hour penalty for the crash/splash.
If it proves otherwise, I will refly the leg.
 
Leg 11 - SBRJ-SBSP

TOW: 40,717 kgs = 89,780 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 2,080 kgs = 4,586 lbs
 
Safe down at SBSP

Landing Weight Duenna: 87,590 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 2,169 lbs
Flight time Duenna = 01:00:20

Nice quit flight.
 
crash penalty

Hi Jock,

I think you were correct on the race penalty. The flight is considered complete when crashed on landing and the penalty is added. I don't recall if the penalty was 1 or 2 hours however. I don't have the rules to check at the moment.

Good work on crossing the water! You guys have be having a tough time with the computer woes, it nice to see you not throwing in the towel. :applause:
 
Thanks for the sheer up.
We are going all the way Buenos Aires (only 2 more legs).

The crash penalty is 2 hours, not 1 hour as I stated.
My problem is there was another Duenna error that I do not understand.
 
Just when I thought I have seen all the possible error combinations the Duenna can throw at us...

That is a strange reading on the Duenna not sure how that could have happened.

For our part we know the baton time is wrong and per the rules does not matter anyway.

Therefore you are correct in accessing the crash bonus and flying on.

Of course I am not a committee member so they will have to correct or validate that statement.

No matter what you are correct in just continuing on and waiting for a response.

I think that airport is the one that caused me great pain in the 1941 event last year.

Cheers and good luck
 
Leg 12 - SBSP-SBPA

TOW: 41,937 kgs = 92,471 lbs (1 kg = 2.205 lbs)
Payload: 9,976 kgs = 22,000 lbs
Fuel on Board = 3,300 kgs = 7,276 lbs
 
AT takeoff the landing retracted automaticaly.
The Aircraft touched the ground "gently", but no crash.
I hope no severe damage.
I have done a check by extending the gear.
All three were green. Then retracted again.

The gear handle was in Locked position, not in down.

I am still learning a lot, during the "race".
 
Safe down at SBPA

Landing Weight Duenna: 87,730 lbs
Fuel Used Duenna 4,684 lbs
Flight time Duenna = 02:10:19

Descened too late.
Was hot and high.
Made a goaround and a perfect landing.
 
Sorry for the late reply Jock. Have brought the error issue to attention with the committee.
 
Jock,

All looks good. That is, you take the "crash penalty" on the spot and continue.

The Duenna "Flight Time" is correct and that is the relevant time marker. No problem there.

However, you do ask a good question about the "Baton Time". It's not immediately obvious what John Mueller is measuring with "Baton Time".

Glad to see you had the ingenuity and the dexterity (and the cojones) to install the proper VCRain textures while in the landing pattern. Good flying.

Best,
Mike
 
Thanks Mike.

It was rather exciting to do,
but I guess thats what makes this fun.
Some adrenaline shot.
 
JockHA said:
There is one more error in Duenna that I do not understand.
Maybe becausee baton time say 14 hours ?????????
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There is only one error in the text file - the crash when you went off the end of the runway.

Yes, the error count does show up on the same line as the Baton Time.

It does not show an error in the Baton Time.

The graphic makes a lot of compromises due to the need to keep it a readable size. The text file always has the official information, not the graphic.

John Mueller made a long explaination a while back about times and crashes.

Basically if my memory is right, the flight time can be calculated by Duenna because it has a start and stop time of the flight recorded from FS.

However Baton Time is a problem because FS does not give Duenna a chance to drop the baton - it resets the flight and messes up the timing tracker.
 
JockHA said:
AT takeoff the landing retracted automaticaly.
The Aircraft touched the ground "gently", but no crash.
I hope no severe damage.
I have done a check by extending the gear.
All three were green. Then retracted again.

The gear handle was in Locked position, not in down.

I am still learning a lot, during the "race".
Click to expand...

I think it was 1967 or 68. A pilot with VQ-1 arrived back in Atsugi Japan after six weeks on a carrier. He was called out the next morning to make a test flight in an EA-3B Skywarrior after something on the plane had been fixed by maintenance. He was the only A-3 pilot available that day.

While flying off the carrier, the pilots move the gear handle into the up position right before spooling the engines up for the cat shot. A solenoid stops the gear from moving as long as it measures compression on the gear. When the plane leaves the flight deck, the gear folds - FAST.

When he lined up for takeoff, he reached over and pulled the gear handle up. The Nav did not notice him doing it, and it was not on the checklist. At about 100-110 kts, the plane bounced a little and the gear started folding. The partially folded gear and fuselage made contact at least five more times with the runway before it became airborne in the next few seconds.

After making a no-gear takeoff, the pilot then had to make a no-gear landing.

The accident report which I saw in 1973 was - unflattering. I understand the pilot left the Navy a few months later.
 
I was more lucky.
I had working landing gear, to make a good landing.

I do not intend to leave flight simming based on this incident.
I take it as one more learning.
 
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