The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[cthornburg]

Very little more info on the Ca.167:

[FONT=&quot]In the 1930s the skilled workers of Taliedo’s Aeroplani Caproni works were often called to build prototypes or unique aircraft for special tests or records. The Ca. 167 did not achieve production status, being a technical exercise on producing a monoplane trainer. The steel tube fuselage was covered in fabric and sheet metal, while the wooden wing had split trailing edge flaps.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It remained a single prototype

Chris[/FONT]

 

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Chris. Every little helps!

 

[srgalahad]

In the style of the Caproni-

The designer was known to fly gliders, but applied his talents to this nicely curvaceous powered monoplane.
His son, not so much - he was very much a cubiste

 

[dan_pub]

Pazo P-4 ?

 

[lefty]

Wrong area, Dan, I fear. Rob had very generously provided a certain clue to the Rubik MSrE M-19, or Rubik R-02.

The clue ? Rubik jr was the inventor of a certain cube puzzle of the same name, which small children can solve in five minutes ( but not me....)

Here is a nicer pic -

 

[dan_pub]

Wrong area indeed.
I misinterpreted cubiste into Picasso, Spain etc.
Oh well.

 

[lefty]

Looking at that photo again, it reveals something odd going on at the base of the vertical fin. It appears to be attached only at the extremities, with a yawning gap where the horizontal tail surface sits. Is this an illusion ? Perhaps someone has another explanation ?

 

[giruXX]

I think this 'gap' is the result of masking the Hungarian colors in the photo

 

[pomme homme]

Other photographs online don't appear to show the 'gap', or what looks like grass showing through it, so I wonder if the R-02 had a fillet, which slotted under the fin but above the horizontal tail surfaces, which had not been put in place on the day when the 'nicer' photograph was taken?

 

[Moses03]

Maybe the horizontal surface had an adjustable angle of attack? I like Mike's suggestion better.

 

[lefty]

Here is my last comment on the matter - another nice clear pic, in which the tail looks perfectly normal ! Anyway, if Rob doesn't mind, may I proceed with another machine ?

 

[srgalahad]

Well, seems I don't need to confirm Lefty's solution, and I can't add to, nor reduce the 'gap', so all I can do is deliver the prize

 

[lefty]

Thanks Rob. Time to get away from mono-flivvers, and back to the water !

This one won't be going far in its present situation.....( despite the RATO tubes -

)

 

[giruXX]

A true tractor boat!!

 

[Moses03]

I have never seen a flying boat crew in such deep concentration...on the ground!

 

[lefty]

Maybe they are in wonder at the sea parting for them, Moses ?

 

[pomme homme]

No, they are just straining their eyes to see how far out the tide has gone and how long it will be before it comes in and refloats their hydravion!

 

[Moses03]

Well it looks a lot like the Paulhan-Curtiss flying boat of 1911 but in tractor form and with a different front fuselage end!

 

[lefty]

It is quite a specific machine, and I think Uli has the answer.....

 

[pomme homme]

It it the Curtiss Model BAT (aka Model 13)?