The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[wout]

Hi giruXX
The VFW-Fokker H-3 Sprinter (D-9543 or D-9544) in compound mode. I think she was never flown in that form.

 

[giruXX]

Yes, Walter

A Dutch-German cooperation. Your turn again

 

[wout]

An early motorglider. Seems two were built.

 

[pomme homme]

The closest match for this that I can find is the Saurma-Jeltsch Motorsegler of 1937 (which also seems to be known as the GS4 Milan). But judging from the one photo of that I've found, the engine nacelle seems more elevated that Walter's mystery motorglider and the canopy arrangement differs. It could be that these are the results of later modification. But it could be that I'm presenting cogent arguments to suggest that my guess is wrong!

 

[wout]

Very sorry to say that you are wrong (in this case!).
The motorglider is much younger than the GS4 and an original design. If it is correct that two were built, one is now in a museum.

 

[giruXX]

I have it as Augsburger Verein für Luftfahrt P 77, D-KHOP, designed by Horst Sterz.

 

[wout]

Hi giruXX
That is her. 1956 vintage and now in a museum in Marxzell (Germany). French AVA 4-00 engine 25hp

 

[giruXX]

What about this (famous) airplane?

 

[Moses03]

Jimmie Angel's Famingo G-2 "El Rio Caroni" after nosing over near Angel Falls, Venezuela in 1937.

 

[giruXX]

That's her!

 

[Moses03]

For the floater fans...

 

[lefty]

Running out of ideas here - obscure Americana? The Taft-Whittelsey machine ?

 

[Moses03]

Not American and the engine is a Gnome actually.

Wonder if the fella in the white labcoat is in charge?



By the way, have not been able to find a photo of the Taft-Whittelsey boat!

 

[Moses03]

Here is a little write up about it with the obvious clues removed.

 

[lefty]

Think I'm going to have to wave the flag on this one. Lots of Denhaut/Leveque there, but that big prop has me foxed. And that odd wing shape......

Have a feeling I'm going to kick myself....... our French contingent are being unusually silent, though.....

 

[Moses03]

Lefty is real close...

One more clue, the build year was late 1913 or 1914. If no answer is offered up, will reveal in the morning.

 

[lefty]

We are, of course, once again in the truly murky waters of early French aviation ! Perm any two from Donnet/Leveque/Denhaut/Schreck/Levy/F.B.A./d'Artois/Besson, and you'll probably find the answer. They all appeared to be designing from the same source, with many variations. Still can't find one with the big prop, though. Time to reveal.......

 

[Moses03]

This was a team effort of Goupy-Denhaut who turned out this one flying boat and then moved on. They did not give the machine a designation as far as I know.

Partial suds to Lefty for circling the wagons (and mentioning Mr. Denhaut who seemed to be working with everyone around this time).

 

[giruXX]

I had this: "En juin 1914, François, à 37 ans, se retrouve employé par les établissements aéronautiques Ambroise GOUPY à Issy-les-Moulineaux où il construit un nouvel appareil dont les essais sont interrompus par le début des hostilités avec l'Allemagne."

But that was not enough to put my coins on.

 

[lefty]

Hmm, don't really deserve the beer, but we'll press on.

Here's a grainy people-carrier with a thoughtfully-installed organ gallery up front. Presumably the multi-tasking pilot entertained his passengers with 'Flight of the Valkyries' or such like.....

(This is not necessarily an indication that the machine is of Teutonic origin !)