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The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.
- Thread starter Ferry_vO
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Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
That is "Harvey" in the Socata, and a great all-star cast in the "Reindeer". Thanks for the memories of two of Mr. Stewart's many great films.
Was having some fun with you all. The "turboprop" is of course the fictional Reindeer airliner from that movie. (I think it was mocked up from a HP Hastings?)
Go on and post a new mystery Hurricane. You get the cold one.
And no more fakes! Don't want to start a trend.
Go on and post a new mystery Hurricane. You get the cold one.
And no more fakes! Don't want to start a trend.
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
...looks like they already have been, by Valentina Antonova.
Yes, Antonov An-10.:ernae:
To you Lefty.
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
Perhaps this boat inspired the "Reindeer".
lefty
SOH-CM-2023
Hmmm, this boat has foundered a bit here.
My source (E.R.Johnson's American Flying Boats and Amphibious Aircraft) gives this as the Curtiss-Judson Triplane of 1917.
However, the pics accompanying Aerofiles' description of the Curtiss-Judson show a different aircraft, which is also in Johnson's book, but as the Curtiss FL.
Bowers' Curtiss Aircraft (Putnam) agrees with Johnson about the FL, but shows an entirely different Judson !!
Kevin's source (San Diego Museum?) looks pretty authoritative too, so we'll need some more research, chaps....
In the meantime, over to Texas.....
My source (E.R.Johnson's American Flying Boats and Amphibious Aircraft) gives this as the Curtiss-Judson Triplane of 1917.
However, the pics accompanying Aerofiles' description of the Curtiss-Judson show a different aircraft, which is also in Johnson's book, but as the Curtiss FL.
Bowers' Curtiss Aircraft (Putnam) agrees with Johnson about the FL, but shows an entirely different Judson !!
Kevin's source (San Diego Museum?) looks pretty authoritative too, so we'll need some more research, chaps....
In the meantime, over to Texas.....
lefty
SOH-CM-2023
From the author of 'American Flying Boats and Amphibians'.
Mike,
Thanks for your input and the nice comments about my book. I am in no way an expert on early, one-of-a-kind flying boats. I tried my best to accurately describe and date the aircraft depicted in Appendix A, but the information on some of them was very sketchy. I do recall discussing with David Ostrowski, my main source of photos, the conflicting data on the so-called Curtiss-Judson Triplane. It appeared to me that aircraft pictured by Aerofiles under the Judson entry was actually the Curtiss FL of 1917 described on page 303 of my Appendix. As stated in the photo caption on Page 304, I really don't know whether this plane was built by Curtiss or by someone else, however, when you compare it with the photo of the FL, it does look like something built from Curtiss parts. I wasn't aware that this aircraft has also been identified as the "Kauter Triplane," as indicated by the photo on the Flickr site. However, I would date the aircraft earlier than 1922 based upon the type of hull, wings, rigging, and powerplant (Curtiss VX) used in its construction.
Best wishes,
E. R. (Buddy) Johnson
Mountain Home, AR USA
I think we're not going to get to the bottom of this !
Mike,
Thanks for your input and the nice comments about my book. I am in no way an expert on early, one-of-a-kind flying boats. I tried my best to accurately describe and date the aircraft depicted in Appendix A, but the information on some of them was very sketchy. I do recall discussing with David Ostrowski, my main source of photos, the conflicting data on the so-called Curtiss-Judson Triplane. It appeared to me that aircraft pictured by Aerofiles under the Judson entry was actually the Curtiss FL of 1917 described on page 303 of my Appendix. As stated in the photo caption on Page 304, I really don't know whether this plane was built by Curtiss or by someone else, however, when you compare it with the photo of the FL, it does look like something built from Curtiss parts. I wasn't aware that this aircraft has also been identified as the "Kauter Triplane," as indicated by the photo on the Flickr site. However, I would date the aircraft earlier than 1922 based upon the type of hull, wings, rigging, and powerplant (Curtiss VX) used in its construction.
Best wishes,
E. R. (Buddy) Johnson
Mountain Home, AR USA
I think we're not going to get to the bottom of this !
Back to the triplane floater, I found another photo of her:
The boys over at the Aerodrome were trying to sort it earlier this year. Seems they were confused as we are.
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/aircraft/46910-breguets-aircraft-id-challenge-730-a.html
Does the pine forest help clue us at all? Pacific Northwest? Northeast USA?
Maybe this is a Canadian refugee?
Edit: Here is the source of the photo I think: http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/la_phototheque/dig_image.cfm?Lang=e&id=10779
Another: http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/image_bank/dig_image.cfm?Lang=e&id=10780
Edit again: The plot thickens! Check out this photo from Robert Pauley's Michigan Aircraft Manufacturers:
The Air Yacht was originally a triplane!
The photo at the SDM archive was labeled Kauter by mistake no doubt (not the first time I have come across this- no worries as they had thousands of photos to manage). The year of 1922 matches as well.
This has to be the Kanter-Judson Air Yacht in it's original configuration.
The boys over at the Aerodrome were trying to sort it earlier this year. Seems they were confused as we are.
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/aircraft/46910-breguets-aircraft-id-challenge-730-a.html
Does the pine forest help clue us at all? Pacific Northwest? Northeast USA?
Maybe this is a Canadian refugee?
Edit: Here is the source of the photo I think: http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/la_phototheque/dig_image.cfm?Lang=e&id=10779
Another: http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/image_bank/dig_image.cfm?Lang=e&id=10780
Edit again: The plot thickens! Check out this photo from Robert Pauley's Michigan Aircraft Manufacturers:
The Air Yacht was originally a triplane!
The photo at the SDM archive was labeled Kauter by mistake no doubt (not the first time I have come across this- no worries as they had thousands of photos to manage). The year of 1922 matches as well.
This has to be the Kanter-Judson Air Yacht in it's original configuration.
lefty
SOH-CM-2023
This is a little Belgian bird - the Wielemans S.W.1.
More really interesting stuff on the Kanter-Judson-Curtiss-biplane-triplane-floater. What I find intriguing is that Kevin's latest pic is from Dave Ostrowski, the same photo collector who collaborates with Mr Johnson. Hmmm.....
More really interesting stuff on the Kanter-Judson-Curtiss-biplane-triplane-floater. What I find intriguing is that Kevin's latest pic is from Dave Ostrowski, the same photo collector who collaborates with Mr Johnson. Hmmm.....