Classics Hangar Fw190 also simulated it. It was quite funny whatching me try and taxi(grumbling under my breath) before I figured it out. :d
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Warbirdsim Mustangs For FSX!
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Classics Hangar Fw190 also simulated it. It was quite funny whatching me try and taxi(grumbling under my breath) before I figured it out. :d
I got the activation issue sorted.
I did a 30 minutes fly, the FM seem good but i'm not an expert in FM anyway so it's just an IMHO...
The external model is nice, the texturing is good too.
Now the VC: it looks good but as good as the WoP2 Mustang not more, it have 2D gauges ( or very flat 3D gauges :mixedsmi
which is disapointing for a plane of that price and considering what other companies are offering these days...
As far as system modelling goes don't ask, i just flew it and did not try to manage any systems, so it might be great in these areas, i just don't know.
Don't be misleaded, she's fun to fly but at that price tag one have to be picky and this one makes me think of a late 2007 must have, not a 2009 must buy add on...
I don't like to flame other's work but i've been asked what i thought of it, so i'm honest here...
Of course this is my opinion only...
Edit: i'll post some screenshots tomorrow.
I did a 30 minutes fly, the FM seem good but i'm not an expert in FM anyway so it's just an IMHO...
The external model is nice, the texturing is good too.
Now the VC: it looks good but as good as the WoP2 Mustang not more, it have 2D gauges ( or very flat 3D gauges :mixedsmi
which is disapointing for a plane of that price and considering what other companies are offering these days...As far as system modelling goes don't ask, i just flew it and did not try to manage any systems, so it might be great in these areas, i just don't know.
Don't be misleaded, she's fun to fly but at that price tag one have to be picky and this one makes me think of a late 2007 must have, not a 2009 must buy add on...
I don't like to flame other's work but i've been asked what i thought of it, so i'm honest here...
Of course this is my opinion only...
Edit: i'll post some screenshots tomorrow.
Unfortunately, and with all due respect, you just made an argument against yourself. Products purchased purely for pleasure are highly elastic (price wise). Meaning they are very sensitive to change in price. Due to the fact that the download version of this product in not a tangible product, a lot of the rules of economics do not apply to it. The download version literally has an unlimited supply...the demand is there, it has yet to manifest itself due to another economic term.
Marginal Cost/Marginal Benefit. The logical consumer, prior to purchase will do a cost-benefit analysis. In this case, it seems the consumer will not be receiving as much pleasure from this product as he would with ~$75 worth of another product.(or the satisfaction of $75 in the bank.)
Back to when gas prices were ~$3+ a gallon, people didn't just stop driving. They still had to be at work, school, etc. This is an example of price inelasticity.
Sorry for quoting such an old post... :ernae:
Get a screen shot program from Fltsim or Avsim. All you have to do is fire it up, load fs9, take off and hit Print Screen and you'll have a jpeg.
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Slug Flyer
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Or in FSX, just hit "V" and they automatically save to a folder in your "My Pictures" directory.
One of my favorite little improvements from FS9 to FSX, I never did find a screenshot utility that worked reliably for FS9.
Creepy847
Charter Member
Well I took the plunge and I have to say Im having alot of fun with it. Yes its pricey, but its not marketed for everyone. I mean if I went to a car lot and was buying a car for $30,000 bucks and someone was standing behind me and said to his wife why cant I buy a car for $30,000? And his wife replys because we dont have $30,000 bucks! Is that a reason for the guy to get pissed off at the dealership?
Im no expert on anything, but I like having the option to buy something thats been well designed. Its obivous that alot of hard work went into this package. WBS has a right to price and market theyre work however they want or need.
As far as the antipiracy software. I basically didnt have any issue. I read the directions and did what they said and it worked.
The plane sounds great, flys great, looks great. It could be alittle cheaper, but I also could be alittle taller. If you have the cash and you want it then buy it, if not then wait for A2A or forget about it. Im a casual simmer so I cant comment on how accurate it really is. In reality how many of us really could. When was the last time you actually went to airport and fired up your old mustang and asked for clearance?
Im a happy customer and wish them success with this package. One thing they might consider is offering a smaller package. Maybe not right now, but surely down the road. It would def be good for sales. Either way the antipiracy will only last so long. If you wait too long you'll end up loosing money.
Thats my 2 cents.
Creeps..
PS: Nice job...
Im no expert on anything, but I like having the option to buy something thats been well designed. Its obivous that alot of hard work went into this package. WBS has a right to price and market theyre work however they want or need.
As far as the antipiracy software. I basically didnt have any issue. I read the directions and did what they said and it worked.
The plane sounds great, flys great, looks great. It could be alittle cheaper, but I also could be alittle taller. If you have the cash and you want it then buy it, if not then wait for A2A or forget about it. Im a casual simmer so I cant comment on how accurate it really is. In reality how many of us really could. When was the last time you actually went to airport and fired up your old mustang and asked for clearance?
Im a happy customer and wish them success with this package. One thing they might consider is offering a smaller package. Maybe not right now, but surely down the road. It would def be good for sales. Either way the antipiracy will only last so long. If you wait too long you'll end up loosing money.
Thats my 2 cents.
Creeps..
PS: Nice job...
I think that many 2D features were done from scratch and so some 3D limitations from the FS2004. The model looks brilliant on screenshots and surely is a gem.
I hope that WBS would consider relasing single model packages in the future. Personally, Iam not a big fan of the Ponies, but I'd love to have Mustang III from the 315 SQN. This Mustang variation has always been a favourite of myself.
Lucas
I hope that WBS would consider relasing single model packages in the future. Personally, Iam not a big fan of the Ponies, but I'd love to have Mustang III from the 315 SQN. This Mustang variation has always been a favourite of myself.
Lucas
JorisVandenBerghe
Charter Member 2010
I told you I didn't pay enough attention during economics classes (a single hour per week or something)
. That's a term I've never heard of, I'm afraid (or is it my memory letting me down
?). Oh well, back on-topic :mixedsmi:.
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richardaero
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Happy Customer Here!
Hi,
I have been watching this thread closely and I am pleased that at long last there are some positive comments being made. Purchased it last night and I am extremely pleased. Install was smooth, activation was pretty quick and the aircarft are a work of art.
The non Mustang aficianados will miss things like the Laminar Flow wing profile, accurate radiator scoop, correct engine cowl profile, exremely accurate sounds, I know from being lucky enough to have 45 minutes in the back of a UK based 'D', The texture detail, overall very accurate outline, cockpit detail..... the list goes on and on.
If we continue to moan about developers like Warbirdsim, they will pack up their bags and try something esle. Then the future of our hobby looks pretty bleak. We will have to rely on freeware, which is in some cases excellent. But most freeware modellers can't afford several trips in a P-51D to get the correct sounds!
I am a very happy customer and look forward with anticipation to their next release.
Albert, John & Team Good luck & don't let the moaners put you off.
Richard
Hi,
I have been watching this thread closely and I am pleased that at long last there are some positive comments being made. Purchased it last night and I am extremely pleased. Install was smooth, activation was pretty quick and the aircarft are a work of art.
The non Mustang aficianados will miss things like the Laminar Flow wing profile, accurate radiator scoop, correct engine cowl profile, exremely accurate sounds, I know from being lucky enough to have 45 minutes in the back of a UK based 'D', The texture detail, overall very accurate outline, cockpit detail..... the list goes on and on.
If we continue to moan about developers like Warbirdsim, they will pack up their bags and try something esle. Then the future of our hobby looks pretty bleak. We will have to rely on freeware, which is in some cases excellent. But most freeware modellers can't afford several trips in a P-51D to get the correct sounds!
I am a very happy customer and look forward with anticipation to their next release.
Albert, John & Team Good luck & don't let the moaners put you off.
Richard
jankees
SOH-CM-2025
This is turning into a strange release of a new aircraft...
Normally, you'd have a bunch of screenshots already, and a lot of people raving about how great the model is, and here all we have is a restrained reaction.
Josquin says it's OK, for a 2007 release...
The only really happy remarks so far are from Creepy847 and Richardaero.
Richardaero's only posts ever have been about how happy he is with the warbirdsim P-51 (first the FS9 model, now this one), and Creepy has one post a few days ago about the Iris F-16, that's all.
Sorry guys, I smell something fishy here...
I ask about a paintkit, but receive no reply,
the website says different packages, which Albert denies,
our old friend Bomber is once again completely quiet about his work,
there's the Ariane connection,
and the pricetag is.....interesting.
I might have bought one of the smaller packages, but not the whole lot. What is the difference between a B and C model anyway? I don't know?
I can easily afford it, heck, I even bought the L-39, and I'd never even heard of the plane before, but it was because of the enthousiastic reports and the great screenshots. That was money well spent!
Here I am asked to pay top dollar...eh, pound, for something that nobody seems to be able to tell me anything about.
I have this unpleasant feeling about the whole thing.
I therefore decide to give it a miss.
Just my few cents....which will be going in another direction
Normally, you'd have a bunch of screenshots already, and a lot of people raving about how great the model is, and here all we have is a restrained reaction.
Josquin says it's OK, for a 2007 release...
The only really happy remarks so far are from Creepy847 and Richardaero.
Richardaero's only posts ever have been about how happy he is with the warbirdsim P-51 (first the FS9 model, now this one), and Creepy has one post a few days ago about the Iris F-16, that's all.
Sorry guys, I smell something fishy here...
I ask about a paintkit, but receive no reply,
the website says different packages, which Albert denies,
our old friend Bomber is once again completely quiet about his work,
there's the Ariane connection,
and the pricetag is.....interesting.
I might have bought one of the smaller packages, but not the whole lot. What is the difference between a B and C model anyway? I don't know?
I can easily afford it, heck, I even bought the L-39, and I'd never even heard of the plane before, but it was because of the enthousiastic reports and the great screenshots. That was money well spent!
Here I am asked to pay top dollar...eh, pound, for something that nobody seems to be able to tell me anything about.
I have this unpleasant feeling about the whole thing.
I therefore decide to give it a miss.
Just my few cents....which will be going in another direction
If the car gave you nothing over a $15,000 car, then yes, it would be.
Plus, seeing as this appears to be just an upgrade of the FS9 version so it'll give you all the nice fancy things that FSX has to offer, for some people it'd be like buying the $30k car they already had, for $30k again, but just so they could have a sat nav and a set of new tyres.
SpaceWeevil
SOH-CM-2024
Hmm, interesting but not necessarily any sort of conspiracy, which is kind of what's being implied. There are a bunch of screenshots on the WBS website - blue IMAGES link under the pic of Sleepytime Gal. Just above the bit about the different packages there is this sentence, "Warbirdsim's North American Mustang Series for FS2004 is ready to take to the skies - primed and waiting for everyone to experience & fly..."' I agree it's not the greatest or clearest piece of web design but it is there. The website explains the Ariane connection in terms of them having the beefiest activation security. What it 'cost' WBS to buy into that and how much Ariane are calling the shots on this release is not really my business.
I think the main difference between the B and C was where they were built but I'm sure someone will correct me! I agree they're too similar for me to want to buy both. I'm sure John T's silence can be attributed to contractural issues, and as for Albert - well some developers go ballistic when they're criticised, some go defensive and some just go.
If I was Albert, knowing you were THE Mustang repaint man (props to all you others of course) I'd be bunging you a free copy and saying 'Get painting!' Just my £45 worth.
Creepy847
Charter Member
Jankees,
I dont like to post very often. Just my personal preference. I tend to read the forums and keep my mouth shut. Im not sure why you feel that is fishy.
And if I thought the WBS P-51 was crap I say it with respect. Im not being paid by anyone to support theyre products if thats what your implying.
I found the treads dishearting on this aircraft and wanted to say something positive about it. Alot of heart and soul went into this product. Im not sure if its just an upgrade from theyre FS9 version. Either way its flawless in FSX and thats what I was willing to pay for.
We have choices in life and this is just another small one. Buy it or dont buy. If the price is too high then we can share that with the developers and see what they do with it. Either way I want developers who will go thru the pains of creating something like this cause Im willing to pay top dollar for it.
Who else is going to do it? You, me the freeware devs. I think not. So now we have a choice as opposed to no choice at all.
The reality is if you have the cash then buy it. My point is pretty much cut and dry.
I agree its expensive. And yes there are times when you buy something and you know your gonna pay top dollar for it. Some folks will look at you and say Id never buy that, but for the folks that really want it they have a right to buy it and the developers have a right to charge what they feel is the correct price for theyre hard work.
Theres lots of things we buy that another person wouldnt think of. Either by interest or price and more important a need for it.
Eventually WBS will probably release cheaper packages. For right now this is what we have and if you have the money and want the package even if you feel its only an upgrade then get off your arse and buy it.
Theres no conspiracy and theres nothing fishy about that. I have a car that most folks wouldnt think about buying because of price or usability. Some of my friends tell me its a great looking car and would be fun as hell to drive, but they wouldnt pay that kind of money for it. Again its about personal choices and the amount of money your willing to part with.
Maybe some of you feel its nothing more than an upgrade to theyre FS9 version, but to me its a piece of art that Im willing to pay top dollar for. :ernae:
Creeps.
I dont like to post very often. Just my personal preference. I tend to read the forums and keep my mouth shut. Im not sure why you feel that is fishy.
And if I thought the WBS P-51 was crap I say it with respect. Im not being paid by anyone to support theyre products if thats what your implying.
I found the treads dishearting on this aircraft and wanted to say something positive about it. Alot of heart and soul went into this product. Im not sure if its just an upgrade from theyre FS9 version. Either way its flawless in FSX and thats what I was willing to pay for.
We have choices in life and this is just another small one. Buy it or dont buy. If the price is too high then we can share that with the developers and see what they do with it. Either way I want developers who will go thru the pains of creating something like this cause Im willing to pay top dollar for it.
Who else is going to do it? You, me the freeware devs. I think not. So now we have a choice as opposed to no choice at all.
The reality is if you have the cash then buy it. My point is pretty much cut and dry.
I agree its expensive. And yes there are times when you buy something and you know your gonna pay top dollar for it. Some folks will look at you and say Id never buy that, but for the folks that really want it they have a right to buy it and the developers have a right to charge what they feel is the correct price for theyre hard work.
Theres lots of things we buy that another person wouldnt think of. Either by interest or price and more important a need for it.
Eventually WBS will probably release cheaper packages. For right now this is what we have and if you have the money and want the package even if you feel its only an upgrade then get off your arse and buy it.
Theres no conspiracy and theres nothing fishy about that. I have a car that most folks wouldnt think about buying because of price or usability. Some of my friends tell me its a great looking car and would be fun as hell to drive, but they wouldnt pay that kind of money for it. Again its about personal choices and the amount of money your willing to part with.
Maybe some of you feel its nothing more than an upgrade to theyre FS9 version, but to me its a piece of art that Im willing to pay top dollar for. :ernae:
Creeps.
ryanbatc
Charter Member
Nooooooononononono....
Too expensive for me too. I just dropped a load of money for a good flash for my camera. If it were half the price perhaps I could squeeze it in.
It is on the pricey side. What do you guys think would be a fair price?
I'm thinking 40 ish give or take...
It
I take it you mean US dollars? Yes, I think I would be tempted (but not this week) by that price. Some here would say a Ferrari for 20,000, you are 'having a laugh' though.
However, despite those who are getting 'depressed' about the tone of this thread (get over it!), this here place is a FORUM....a place for ideas, thoughts, opinions and disscussion.
It is not (like the old AS forum) a place of worship to developers who are using it to advertise their products. The day that happens, is the day I stop reading what people say here.
Good looking product, but too expensive for my pocket...last post (by me) on this thread!<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
I take it you mean US dollars? Yes, I think I would be tempted (but not this week) by that price. Some here would say a Ferrari for 20,000, you are 'having a laugh' though.
However, despite those who are getting 'depressed' about the tone of this thread (get over it!), this here place is a FORUM....a place for ideas, thoughts, opinions and disscussion.
It is not (like the old AS forum) a place of worship to developers who are using it to advertise their products. The day that happens, is the day I stop reading what people say here.
Good looking product, but too expensive for my pocket...last post (by me) on this thread!<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
jankees
SOH-CM-2025
Sorry Creeps, if I offended you.
Me, I'm looking for info as to whether the package is worth the price. Here's the reasoning behind my post:
So far, we have two people (who have posted before) who bought it and weren't too impressed:
not really a "must buy" then?
and two people (with very few posts) who like it:
That does not tell me alot..the rest is along the lines of be 'nice to the company'...
and then this:
"miss the laminar flow wing profile? miss the accurate radiator scoop?"
What is this??? And from a guy who's only other post was praising the FS9 model. Come on!
So, I smelled something very fishy in this last post, and to be true, a bit in yours as well. Too many excuses for the company I felt, not enough about the model.
And I still haven't had any real info on the quality of the model.
What is the difference with the FS9 model for instance?
If I am to pay top dollar, I expect something like the A2A Razorback, or the L-39, or the Aerosoft Catalina.
Those are my top models, cheaper and with paintkits. Great support too, both here and on their sites.
Will I get that here? I have no idea....so I'm not buying (yet).
And that hurts, because, as you may know, I like Mustangs...
If you indeed did buy it, and enjoy it, then I'm very happy for you.
Many happy flights, and please share your impressions with us..
who knows, you may even persuade me to buy it?
Me, I'm looking for info as to whether the package is worth the price. Here's the reasoning behind my post:
So far, we have two people (who have posted before) who bought it and weren't too impressed:
Now the VC: it looks good but as good as the WoP2 Mustang not more, it have 2D gauges ( or very flat 3D gauges :mixedsmi
...this one makes me think of a late 2007 must have, not a 2009 must buy add on...
not really a "must buy" then?
and two people (with very few posts) who like it:
That does not tell me alot..the rest is along the lines of be 'nice to the company'...
and then this:
"miss the laminar flow wing profile? miss the accurate radiator scoop?"
What is this??? And from a guy who's only other post was praising the FS9 model. Come on!
So, I smelled something very fishy in this last post, and to be true, a bit in yours as well. Too many excuses for the company I felt, not enough about the model.
And I still haven't had any real info on the quality of the model.
What is the difference with the FS9 model for instance?
If I am to pay top dollar, I expect something like the A2A Razorback, or the L-39, or the Aerosoft Catalina.
Those are my top models, cheaper and with paintkits. Great support too, both here and on their sites.
Will I get that here? I have no idea....so I'm not buying (yet).
And that hurts, because, as you may know, I like Mustangs...
If you indeed did buy it, and enjoy it, then I'm very happy for you.
Many happy flights, and please share your impressions with us..
who knows, you may even persuade me to buy it?
JorisVandenBerghe
Charter Member 2010
To answer my own question, it appears there actually is a version with the Malcolm hood - but one still has to look well for it in the gallery.
And I must say, I was just watching some screenshots on Nick's forum and I was highly impressed.
And I must say, I was just watching some screenshots on Nick's forum and I was highly impressed.
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
As a reader of threads and people
i have to agree with Jan on this one
some of us have been here a long while
and we know who's who
but when 2 people who we do not know
it does look suspicions
not accusing anyone here
But i get the point
does anyone have any screen shots?
im not in a position to purchase anything at the moment
but so far i have not even seen a screenie
thats like buying in the dark
H
i have to agree with Jan on this one
some of us have been here a long while
and we know who's who
but when 2 people who we do not know
it does look suspicions
not accusing anyone here
But i get the point
does anyone have any screen shots?
im not in a position to purchase anything at the moment
but so far i have not even seen a screenie
thats like buying in the dark
H
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