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Windows 10
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I don't know about anyone else but aside from some missteps initially, Win10 has shown to be just another OS. . .Looks the same, functions the same (for the most part), I don't see any great leap in speed and aside from Netflix (which was a simple fix), I haven't found a single program that hasn't worked just like it did before the upgrade. Also, I don't have an FSX Rig. . .I have a PC that happens to run a few simulators scattered on a couple different drives. . .one of them (FSX) is installed on the same drive that the OS is on. While I may sometimes seem to be not in my right mind, I'm actually pretty normal most of the time and quite happy with what I see with Win10 and how both sims are functioning.
Because we can? And for free? With Win7 we have nearly five years left of updates and patches, with Win X a lot longer than that. I built this rig before Win7 was released and with some luck it may outlive Win7, although possibly not me!
Dumonceau
Banned
Because eventually it will become inevitable? Because there is such a thing as progress? Because of safety?
Don't forget that Windows 7 is already in the extended support period. In 2020 there will be no more support for it.
Just my two € cents worth.
Johan
It was, but after reinstalling to to the non x86 program files, the problem still persists.
My FSX is also installed the same way. . .mainly because despite my best efforts it wouldn't install on a separate drive as I wanted. . .so there it sits. Anyway, it runs quite well. I have none of the problems you mention so I'm not totally sure what might be causing it.
Jafo
SOH-CM-2024
Nothing in this world is free.
Check out sometime how Microsoft has been [or is] using your 'free' upgrade to 10 to torrent it to others.
Check also exactly how many 'services' [services to whom?] are being used to data-mine your information to third party advertising.
The polite word for the back story behind Microsoft's roll out of Win 10 is 'insidious'.
Microsoft is going to make a heck of a lot of money out of this 'freebie' and you will be paying just the same.
Downloaded the ISO: DVDs don't torrent. Cortana is shut off, as are many other useless (to me) background apps. If Microsoft want me to pay for this I've still to see the invoice and Google/Yahoo/Facebook/Amazon/eBay have been mining your data and mine for years now. Microsoft are rather late to the party and that's my tuppence ha'penny.
heywooood
Mayor Emeritus of Taco City
as we go along here - I am seriously considering leaving my PC on Win7 64 Prem. and disconnecting it from the internet...
I can use my WinX lappie and a flash drive to D/L scenery and aircraft addons and cut my losses in half.
So far I find WinX bloated, slow, and cumbersome in a few environments - and I try to spare the headaches surrounding FSX whenever I have any choice in the matter at all
can anyone give me a good reason to change my mind and be completely absorbed by the Collective?
I can use my WinX lappie and a flash drive to D/L scenery and aircraft addons and cut my losses in half.
So far I find WinX bloated, slow, and cumbersome in a few environments - and I try to spare the headaches surrounding FSX whenever I have any choice in the matter at all
can anyone give me a good reason to change my mind and be completely absorbed by the Collective?
gman5250
Charter Member
I installed the Windows 10 beginning last night and finishing this AM. The install went very smoothly with no glitches, outside of the lightning squall that settled in overhead just as I reached the 90% mark on the initial re-install boot. White knuckles, but no hard crash.
Considering the complexity of my networked system with all of the peripherals connected to P3D, the install recognized everything with no glitches.
One note, when I was first attempting to download Windows 10 my number 2 (networked) box was on. This stalled the download menu. I turned off the second box, selected the upgrade icon and the menu did its job. Just a HU for anyone running networks.
First glance...P3Dv2.5 wanted to validate its' license and all of the add on bits required the same. It took about ten minutes to satisfy the various licenses.
The GTX780 is running the most current driver. Not sure how that relates to DX12, but I can say that the sim is stunning, rich and smooth. I selected Nvidia defaults and tweaked the Gamma up about two points. In P3D I maxed the sliders to find a breaking point...didn't find one. It's too early to really evaluate the performance and graphics, but the test jump from KRNO to KBIH was flawless. Soft Clouds and ASN live weather were 100% even with shadow quality set at max. The sim has never looked better.
Full screen with no borders is an affirmative. OPUS worked immediately as well as Aivla Soft EFB, which both run on the networked box.
Wacom Intuos pad fired up with no issues either. Photoshop and 3Ds Max '15 booted perfectly.
Issues with CH controllers seem to have smoothed out....that's a plus.
I'll be the first to say I was apprehensive due to previous disasters, but this OS upgrade went as well as I could expect. I'll do a bit of reading and disable the various intrusive elements that I didn't catch on the install. Same for apps.
If anything blows later...I'll bump back in
Considering the complexity of my networked system with all of the peripherals connected to P3D, the install recognized everything with no glitches.
One note, when I was first attempting to download Windows 10 my number 2 (networked) box was on. This stalled the download menu. I turned off the second box, selected the upgrade icon and the menu did its job. Just a HU for anyone running networks.
First glance...P3Dv2.5 wanted to validate its' license and all of the add on bits required the same. It took about ten minutes to satisfy the various licenses.
The GTX780 is running the most current driver. Not sure how that relates to DX12, but I can say that the sim is stunning, rich and smooth. I selected Nvidia defaults and tweaked the Gamma up about two points. In P3D I maxed the sliders to find a breaking point...didn't find one. It's too early to really evaluate the performance and graphics, but the test jump from KRNO to KBIH was flawless. Soft Clouds and ASN live weather were 100% even with shadow quality set at max. The sim has never looked better.
Full screen with no borders is an affirmative. OPUS worked immediately as well as Aivla Soft EFB, which both run on the networked box.
Wacom Intuos pad fired up with no issues either. Photoshop and 3Ds Max '15 booted perfectly.
Issues with CH controllers seem to have smoothed out....that's a plus.
I'll be the first to say I was apprehensive due to previous disasters, but this OS upgrade went as well as I could expect. I'll do a bit of reading and disable the various intrusive elements that I didn't catch on the install. Same for apps.
If anything blows later...I'll bump back in
WarHorse47
SOH-CM-2024
Just came across something interesting.
We have two computers - my desktop with Win8.1 and the wife's laptop with Win7. I removed my reservation for Win10 on my desktop for now to wait and see how things progress with others. I never signed up for Win10 on the wife's computer - the primary reason is that the wife struggles enough just to use the darn thing.
This morning I received notice of some MS updates which I ran on my computer, and again on the wife's. Anyways, I noticed that yesterday (8/6/2015) MS attempted to install Win10 on the wife's Win 7 computer without any notice. It failed, fortunately, so its still running Win 7. How could it attempt to upgrade an OS without user acknowledgement or approval?
I was also suspicious on some of the changes to Windows Update, something along the lines of "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." I turned that off on my desktop, and now turned it off on the wife's laptop. I also changed the "automatic updating" to letting me know next time there are updates for her laptop.
The other irritating thing I noticed is that these updates are coming at any day of the week. It used to be the 1st or 2nd Tuesday of each month, but now they're coming out on Thursday and Friday?? I want to stay current with my OS updates and keep my systems secure, but this is getting a little out of hand.
After reading all the related posts here and on other forums, I've elected to wait and see what happens. I figure someday I will have to replace one if not both computers, and when I do the replacement will come with Win10. Both Win7 and Win8.1 will be supported long after we check into the retirement home anyway.
We have two computers - my desktop with Win8.1 and the wife's laptop with Win7. I removed my reservation for Win10 on my desktop for now to wait and see how things progress with others. I never signed up for Win10 on the wife's computer - the primary reason is that the wife struggles enough just to use the darn thing.
This morning I received notice of some MS updates which I ran on my computer, and again on the wife's. Anyways, I noticed that yesterday (8/6/2015) MS attempted to install Win10 on the wife's Win 7 computer without any notice. It failed, fortunately, so its still running Win 7. How could it attempt to upgrade an OS without user acknowledgement or approval?
I was also suspicious on some of the changes to Windows Update, something along the lines of "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." I turned that off on my desktop, and now turned it off on the wife's laptop. I also changed the "automatic updating" to letting me know next time there are updates for her laptop.
The other irritating thing I noticed is that these updates are coming at any day of the week. It used to be the 1st or 2nd Tuesday of each month, but now they're coming out on Thursday and Friday?? I want to stay current with my OS updates and keep my systems secure, but this is getting a little out of hand.
After reading all the related posts here and on other forums, I've elected to wait and see what happens. I figure someday I will have to replace one if not both computers, and when I do the replacement will come with Win10. Both Win7 and Win8.1 will be supported long after we check into the retirement home anyway.
Some of this is reminding me of the start of that old TV series "The Outer Limits":
"Do no adjust your TV set. We have taken control. We now return you to the scheduled program. Do not turn it off -- just patiently watch (I added the last sentence)."
Just way too weird - and controlling - for me.
"Do no adjust your TV set. We have taken control. We now return you to the scheduled program. Do not turn it off -- just patiently watch (I added the last sentence)."
Just way too weird - and controlling - for me.
Just read a nice W10 Free article on Forbes stating some apps like Solitaire and the Win Media player are initially free or limited by time or function. If you wish the full featured or time extension you must pay.
The DVD player software for example only plays optical discs, but not DVD's or BluRay; that you have to pay an annual fee for. Unfortunately, they do not advertise this info.
Also, if you re-install, that stuff is no longer free; you must pay for the features.
Now sure of all the details, but something to keep your eyes peeled for or investigate before jumping.
EDIT: Found the link to article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/05/windows-10-charging/
The DVD player software for example only plays optical discs, but not DVD's or BluRay; that you have to pay an annual fee for. Unfortunately, they do not advertise this info.
Also, if you re-install, that stuff is no longer free; you must pay for the features.
Now sure of all the details, but something to keep your eyes peeled for or investigate before jumping.
EDIT: Found the link to article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/05/windows-10-charging/
flaviossa
Charter Member
This message is particular to mr. Frank Safranek (But others can benefit for it too):
Mr. Frank, just discovered thar the Flight1 DRM STILL don´t work. So, we will not see some Flight1 Addons on it either, like ALS Flanker, LevelD 767, Eaglesoft planes, Mustang etc.
So, if you have this birds, be aware that they WILL NOT work on Win10 (As like it didn´t work with windows 8). It´s about time to Flight1 bring their DRM inside f1 wrapper to todays standards....
Mr. Frank, just discovered thar the Flight1 DRM STILL don´t work. So, we will not see some Flight1 Addons on it either, like ALS Flanker, LevelD 767, Eaglesoft planes, Mustang etc.
So, if you have this birds, be aware that they WILL NOT work on Win10 (As like it didn´t work with windows 8). It´s about time to Flight1 bring their DRM inside f1 wrapper to todays standards....
gman5250
Charter Member
Some observations after about 12 hours working in Win 10.
Developers take note: Gmax working with Wacom Intuos Pro, the pen is a bit touchy with crashes resulting from left and right click using the rocker. I resorted to hand commands for some operations. Gmax works well enough, but slow to boot.
3DS Max is not having any issues in 10 from what I've seen so far.
One nice thing: DDS files now show as a thumbnail in folders. I found this to be very helpful in visually selecting files.
The appearance of the work environment is graphically clean, I felt less fatigued after 12 hours.
Developers take note: Gmax working with Wacom Intuos Pro, the pen is a bit touchy with crashes resulting from left and right click using the rocker. I resorted to hand commands for some operations. Gmax works well enough, but slow to boot.
3DS Max is not having any issues in 10 from what I've seen so far.
One nice thing: DDS files now show as a thumbnail in folders. I found this to be very helpful in visually selecting files.
The appearance of the work environment is graphically clean, I felt less fatigued after 12 hours.
The jury is still out in this household as far as I'm concerned as I'm not seeing any improvement over W8.1 on my laptop. In fact some things are annoyingly different, copy & paste I think is one when moving items around or onto USB sticks. Photos to not seem to easily progress through each other with a simple click.
My wife though doesn't like it, says its too complicated, much preferring her W7 at the moment, I will wait a bit though before changing her's back because its a French version which I find difficult to decipher if needing to change or reset things, & I've installed an English version of W10. Changing language though does mean you cannot keep some of your apps, although your documents will change over.
Keith
My wife though doesn't like it, says its too complicated, much preferring her W7 at the moment, I will wait a bit though before changing her's back because its a French version which I find difficult to decipher if needing to change or reset things, & I've installed an English version of W10. Changing language though does mean you cannot keep some of your apps, although your documents will change over.
Keith
Yea, that was publicized long before the upgrade was released.