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Windows 7 Support to End

The problem with staying with Windows 7 is at some point in time there might be a security flaw found that MS will not be required to patch. The way the land scape has been going lately I would say the chance someone will find said bug is pretty good. What I have seen is if it is bad enough MS will patch it beyond support for a certain amount of time. Beyond that as the landscape for Win7 shrinks the likely hood someone will want to find a security hole starts shrinking.

I have found Win10 to be stable and reliable but I am in the IT field.

Bottom line if you want to stay with XP or Windows 7 its your decision. Until your hardware breaks things should work fine.
 
Another happy Win 10 user here. I reisted it for the first year what with all the fuss about MS trying to force it on people.
But being a VR convert it was inevitable I would have to convert eventually and I havnt looked back.

As for the GUI install Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ and you can have the Win 7 menu back.
 
I do recall Microsoft will be offering "Windows 7 Extended Security Updates" (for a price?) beyond the upcoming cut-off date. Can anyone confirm this? Seemed a lot cheaper than buying a new computer rig to support Windows 10, as some of the components in my computer rig (motherboard, cpu, etc.) date back some 10+ years.

Tommy
 
I run FSX on my Win 7 machine (FSX,Media,Online) but everything else I run on my dedicated gaming machine which is Win 10. When we get the next iteration of Windows (Win 11?), I'll replace the Win 7 box with a from-scratch new one. I ran WinME for several years after support ended and it did what I needed it to do.
 
I do recall Microsoft will be offering "Windows 7 Extended Security Updates" (for a price?) beyond the upcoming cut-off date. Can anyone confirm this? Seemed a lot cheaper than buying a new computer rig to support Windows 10, as some of the components in my computer rig (motherboard, cpu, etc.) date back some 10+ years.

Tommy
Yes, primarily for Enterprise people...there's a sliding scale of fees for several more years all of which probably don't sit well for entities such as the ACCC...where a product MUST be fit-for-purpose.
Compare it with the world-wide recall of Takata air-bags ...ALL at Takata's cost. Yes, I know....they kill people...which is more extreme than an MS OS which merely 'annoys people'...;)
 
Another happy Win 10 user here. I reisted it for the first year what with all the fuss about MS trying to force it on people.
But being a VR convert it was inevitable I would have to convert eventually and I havnt looked back.

As for the GUI install Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ and you can have the Win 7 menu back.

Hi all,

I can also recommend Classic Shell, I've installed and used it on many Win10 boxes with no problems. Yes the Win10 GUI does suck.

I think it is also worth pointing out that you can still legally upgrade for free from windows7 & 8 to Win10 - have a careful read of the following:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/

and

https://www.geeksinphoenix.com/blog...10-upgrade-for-windows-7-and-windows-8-1.aspx

I've done this at least seven times this year (2019) with no real problems. However, do your research first (e.g. for hardware & software compatibility) and take backups before you start ... oh and test that your backups have worked and that you can restore from them. ... and make sure you have a record of your various software licence/activation keys, just in case.

Should you upgrade if you can? YES ... (with some caveats below). Do some research, you'll find that a significant amount of the problems with malware is because people/organisations haven't been patching the their operating systems, software etc.

Bear in mind that you wouldn't necessarily know that your old, unpatched system is hosting malware (even with some old anti-malware software on it) because the malware isn't necessarily going to make itself known to you - you could be hosting an attack on government web sites right now for example - the malware isn't targeting you so unless you watched your network traffic/processor you probably wouldn't know anything about it (and your old anti-malware software wouldn't either). Another example is the malware could be harvesting your banking details, address book entries etc and sending them to some bad actors - the malware isn't going to tell you that it is doing this, and your old anti-malware/unpatched OS isn't necessarily going to notice either.

Research on the WindowsXP malware fiasco in the NHS if you want a "real life" example of why you should keep up to date.

Caveats: 1) if you have some software that you can't live without that only runs on an old OS, don't upgrade - but disconnect your system from the Internet. 2) If you're unsure of your own computer skills, consider getting help before doing anything. 3) There will be a period of time when Win7 loses support from Microsoft but is still supported by your anti-malware software provider you *may* be safe during that period but keep an eye on the support of your anti-malware.

Oh one other thing, yes some of the Win10 automated updates haven't gone perfectly, but they've all been fixable. There is no guarantee that an update to Windows/IOS/Unix will go perfectly in every case, Win10 is no different to any other operating system in that sense. There pretty much is a guarantee that if you don't update (but remain connected to the Internet) then eventually you'll have some malware on-board.

So, if you don't want to upgrade but are happy to disconnect old systems from the Internet, go ahead. If you wish to connect all your boxes to the Internet - be a good net citizen and keep 'em up to date!

Cheers,

SW
 
Sadly...8, 8.1 and 10 were Microsoft's failed attempt to push a unified GUI experience on users...all for the sake of promoting the Windows Phone...which is now dead in the water...and they did so to the detriment of actual desktop users who really have no interest in greasy fingerprints all over their screen/work. The kernel may be fine and dandy [it is...to a degree...and is easy to argue as better than 7, but it's the GUI they ruined [without Start 10] and in the end for no good reason.

I ditched BBLean that had replaced XP's and 7's desktops for me shortly after 10 was released. The quick access, tiled, customizable start menu is just too good and exactly what I really liked about Windows Phone/Mobile as well that had a customziable start screen and a second page for everything else. Easy, simple, clean. Now if only they'd merge the control panel into the settings menu...
 
... I have been in touch with the Symantec (Norton) folks and so far, they are saying that if you have their product suite, you can continue to use Windows 7 safely and securely after the expiration date...
BB686:US-flag:

Thanks for that! I sort of figured that was the case, since we have folks here who still use XP (how I envy them!) and, well, they're still here using XP and their confutors seem secure. But it's a relief to hear it from Norton.

I missed my chance to retain XP when my last confutor died suddenly and completely after it was too late to find a clean copy of XP. I lost the use of some software in the transition. I spent extra to get Win7pro because it has virtual XP, only to find that virtual XP doesn't really work as advertised. But it works well enough to run a couple of FS utilities that won't run in Win10, and there are a couple guys who have to ask me for help with certain things that they can't do for themselves on their projects in Win10.

Eventually I will get Win10 on a separate drive in the same system and be able to boot up W10 to get on line after updated browsers will no longer run in W7 (don't know when that will happen, but some day it's bound to.) Then I'll still have my FS installations and my favorite image processing programs that probably won't run in W10 , but only expose Win10 to the hazards of the Interweb.

For now I'm relieved that I can just stand pat for a while longer.
 
Now if only they'd merge the control panel into the settings menu...

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you: the control panel will eventually be dumped. That is what M$ tells us during meetings at work.

Configuration for home and pro users will be done through the settings menu, and enterprise clients will be configured through group policies and system center.

Priller
 
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you: the control panel will eventually be dumped. That is what M$ tells us during meetings at work.

Configuration for home and pro users will be done through the settings menu, and enterprise clients will be configured through group policies and system center.

Not a disappointment at all. In fact, this is great news (and just what I said before)!
 
All in all this went pretty civil, right? ;) Even though it's such a testy subject for some.

Priller
 
Yes, primarily for Enterprise people...
I asked my IT guy for more clarification on this. He told me that the "pay for" extended security updates (up to 2023 if you want) will be available to anyone running Windows 7 Pro; it doesn't matter if it is business or for personal use. But, that the personal use subscription cost may be double that of the Enterprise user. Still, it's a cheaper option for me as my current aging rig will be my last desktop computer. The family has since moved on to non-windows android based mobile devices.
 
The W10 GUI (not to even speak of W8) is the main reason why I have been sticking to W7. This is really good news that I can replace it with one that suits much better for my desktop PC and works also with W10. Thanks for the info.
Stardock has been pioneering Windows GUI enhancements for decades....and needless to say, when Win 8 came out it didn't take us long to release 'Start8' to restore 'sanity' to the 8 GUI.
Naturally...10 was little better [if at all] and there's a 'Start10' [naturally] as well.
I 'don't leave home without it'....;)
 
Stardock has been pioneering Windows GUI enhancements for decades....and needless to say, when Win 8 came out it didn't take us long to release 'Start8' to restore 'sanity' to the 8 GUI.
Naturally...10 was little better [if at all] and there's a 'Start10' [naturally] as well.
I 'don't leave home without it'....;)

Thanks for the heads up! Classicshell was discontinued a while ago and I had not heard of Start10. Just purchased the full package! :applause:
 
Yes, Microsoft plans to end support for Windows 7 on January 12, 2020. I have been in touch with the Symantec (Norton) folks and so far, they are saying that if you have their product suite, you can continue to use Windows 7 safely and securely after the expiration date. As always, I'm skeptical but really don't want to put up with Windows 10.

That's it, over and out.

BB686:US-flag:
So.. if support ends for Win7, are you saying they will no longer support their Security Essentials.... meaning no more updates, and the need to get another virus protection program??
 
So.. if support ends for Win7, are you saying they will no longer support their Security Essentials.... meaning no more updates, and the need to get another virus protection program??

Using Microsoft Security Essentials is like trying to stop a blazing fire with a sheet of paper. So yes, you should get another security suite. not just an antivirus, but the whole deal.

And even when using decent security, it still won't be enough when people insist on using Windows 7. Hackers and the likes will be able to exploit weaknesses in your operating system that will not be addressed by M$ any longer. And your fancy security suite (if you decide on buying one that is) will not be able to stop it.

Welcome to the 21st century.

Priller
 
Correct.
Have a Google for Windows 7 end of life.
Nowhere can I find that having an anti virus will be the answer.
 
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