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[stumpjumper1]

Actually, this thread started out as a direct response to provocative posts on the SimHQ RoF Forum. And it has degenerated at both fora and is approaching behaviour typical of the Il2 flame wars. Not productive!!!!
This ugly "mine is better - your's sucks" is driving good people away. :argue:
Enough already!!!!
shredward

amen :amen: loks like pd has had enough of this kindo fo talk and looks like we willbe looseing one of the most gentelist kinder adult members of soh

 

[Winder]

Lets go over there and burn them at the stake. how could on line multiplay missions ever be considered as fun . what a bunch of crap this multiplay scenerio is. yea, i wonder if they even support it. well probably just so they can cheat and figure out a way to get the upper hand in a multiplay scenerio where they cheat againt the ai.
yea thats it. you guys have hit the nail on the head this time. wow you can be so proud of your trash talking crap.
good job boys. you have lowered the standard around here to a new all time low.
you ,the O.F..F. forume, and this sim have seen the last of me. do me a favour and NEVER apply at my forume as this disease should stay contained over here where it belongs.
WHAT A SHAMEFULL PATHETIC excuse for what i once considered a great forume.
the sad part is you will carry on oblivious to the destructive nonsence that is portrayed here in this thread from the top down.
:wave: PD

Well said and what this forum BADLY needs is decent moderation - seeing SOH go down like this is nothing short of very very sad....

Guys these posts are posted to incite and many of you have been .. well.....incited.....

From OBD/OFF POV - well we are looking at other options as we are all getting tired of this...we have been here a long time maybe too long....

WM

 

[JohnGresham]

Lets go over there and burn them at the stake. how could on line multiplay missions ever be considered as fun . what a bunch of crap this multiplay scenerio is. yea, i wonder if they even support it. well probably just so they can cheat and figure out a way to get the upper hand in a multiplay scenerio where they cheat againt the ai.
yea thats it. you guys have hit the nail on the head this time. wow you can be so proud of your trash talking crap.
good job boys. you have lowered the standard around here to a new all time low.
you ,the O.F..F. forume, and this sim have seen the last of me. do me a favour and NEVER apply at my forume as this disease should stay contained over here where it belongs.
WHAT A SHAMEFULL PATHETIC excuse for what i once considered a great forume.
the sad part is you will carry on oblivious to the destructive nonsence that is portrayed here in this thread from the top down.
:wave: PD

Hmmmm, can't help but think you're being a little precious and overreacting here old bean. Are you seriously suggesting that disagreeing with the point of view expressed in a few posts on this thread will make you stop playing this sim?

Anyway, far be it from me to second guess your motives, look, at the end of the day the more WWI sims out there the better as far as I'm concerned, so good luck to the devs of ROF. It looks great, but personally the the whole multiplayer only thing and having to buy planes isn't something that interests me, so I'll stick with OFF thanks. My toys are staying firmly in their pram.

 

[Siggi]

Lets go over there and burn them at the stake. how could on line multiplay missions ever be considered as fun . what a bunch of crap this multiplay scenerio is. yea, i wonder if they even support it. well probably just so they can cheat and figure out a way to get the upper hand in a multiplay scenerio where they cheat againt the ai.
yea thats it. you guys have hit the nail on the head this time. wow you can be so proud of your trash talking crap.
good job boys. you have lowered the standard around here to a new all time low.
you ,the O.F..F. forume, and this sim have seen the last of me. do me a favour and NEVER apply at my forume as this disease should stay contained over here where it belongs.
WHAT A SHAMEFULL PATHETIC excuse for what i once considered a great forume.
the sad part is you will carry on oblivious to the destructive nonsence that is portrayed here in this thread from the top down.
:wave: PD

I think you probably need to get a grip. I'll defend OFF until the cows come home, and if that means getting my hands a little dirty so be it.

The nature of the comments over at SimHQ is indicative of the nature of the people making them, and the exact reason why RoF will fail to be anything more than more of the same crap we had with IL2. With those kinds of paddle-bashing NACA-freak fanbois not even a good simulation has much of a chance, never mind a marginal eye-candy one-shot-pony like RoF.

Some people would say that every lie they tell is another lost OFF sale. Personally I don't believe that, the truth always outs as I like to say. But I'm damned if I'm going to sit by quietly while they spout their trash. Too much fun to be had from a bit of a tribal fracas apart from anything else.

When you've calmed down a bit come back for a spot of tiffin.

And "driving people away" Shredders? Ain't that the beauty of an offline dynamic campaign, one isn't obliged to mix with the rotters, one can buy the sim regardless and play it in the peace & quiet of one's own bubble.

 

[Polovski]

Lets go over there and burn them at the stake. how could on line multiplay missions ever be considered as fun . what a bunch of crap this multiplay scenerio is. yea, i wonder if they even support it. well probably just so they can cheat and figure out a way to get the upper hand in a multiplay scenerio where they cheat againt the ai.
yea thats it. you guys have hit the nail on the head this time. wow you can be so proud of your trash talking crap.
good job boys. you have lowered the standard around here to a new all time low.
you ,the O.F..F. forume, and this sim have seen the last of me. do me a favour and NEVER apply at my forume as this disease should stay contained over here where it belongs.
WHAT A SHAMEFULL PATHETIC excuse for what i once considered a great forume.
the sad part is you will carry on oblivious to the destructive nonsence that is portrayed here in this thread from the top down.
:wave: PD

Hold on PD many people here are open minded and want to fly any WW1 sim. So don't tar all people with 1 brush like that thanks. I'm not a moderator here, which is what this needs....

Hello Mods??

 

[Over50]

As a relative newcomer to OFF, with version 3 my first experience, I was impressed not only with the game but the forum demeanor where my questions were/have been addressed promptly without even a hint of belittlement or otherwise snidely comment. Fact is, I became a charter member after only a few visits to help preserve this effort.

But this thread is the exception where, in my opinion, some individuals have assumed a self-appointed, overly authoritive my-way-or-the-highway ownership stance as relates to the very mention of any other WWI sim in the pipeline.

If there is a forum mod, then I'd recommend deleting this thread because it certainly doesn't benefit the goal of increased sales of OFF 3.

If there is no OFF 3 forum mod there should be..

 

[Siggi]

As a relative newcomer to OFF, with version 3 my first experience, I was impressed not only with the game but the forum demeanor where my questions were/have been addressed promptly without even a hint of belittlement or otherwise snidely comment. Fact is, I became a charter member after only a few visits to help preserve this effort.

But this thread is the exception where, in my opinion, some individuals have assumed a self-appointed, overly authoritive my-way-or-the-highway ownership stance as relates to the very mention of any other WWI sim in the pipeline.

If there is a forum mod, then I'd recommend deleting this thread because it certainly doesn't benefit the goal of increased sales of OFF 3.

If there is no OFF 3 forum mod there should be..

Have a read here:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2672826/All_you_chaps_who_love_WW1.html#Post2672826

Always good to see where the root is at.

 

[Over50]

Have a read here:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2672826/All_you_chaps_who_love_WW1.html#Post2672826

Always good to see where the root is at.

Not being a subscriber to simhq.com I wouldn't have seen it - but having read some of the comment I really don't see any difference in what was said there and some posts in this thread. It's simply a matter of whose ox is being gored in my opinion.

 

[threeonetwo]

lol sure but it assumes then that you fly along constantly watching your leader and close enough to see it/him/his hand at all times ...and yes no problem there they used to do this - but how many users will be able to keep this up what happens if you miss it etc etc?

This means, and I bet there will be, on screen text as well as the hand signal to alert you...... and text in sim IMHO means more gamey....but as usual YOMV.

WM

Hand signals and flares were missed in real life so I guess it's pretty realistic eh?

 

[Henry]

Hold on PD many people here are open minded and want to fly any WW1 sim. So don't tar all people with 1 brush like that thanks. I'm not a moderator here, which is what this needs....

Hello Mods??

Im Here taking notes :wave:
this is an Off forum and it will remain that way
be sure that anyone who causes trouble here
will not do it again
some off you know who you are some do not
this is the last warning
H

 

[Siggi]

Not being a subscriber to simhq.com I wouldn't have seen it - but having read some of the comment I really don't see any difference in what was said there and some posts in this thread. It's simply a matter of whose ox is being gored in my opinion.

I think it's down to a number of them being fearful that OFF is going to take sales away from RoF, hence the spite. But it's a minority, the same clique that trash-talks anything that doesn't suit it's banal agenda. Of course RoF is the best, and only, show in town. And anything else has to be garbage.

But leave them to their illusions I guess. For sure, if there was no RoF they'd be all over OFF like a rash. But a lot of their attitude is about a self-perceived superiority, and RoF is giving them plenty of fuel for that, or so they fondly imagine.

The online community for RoF will turn into the same degenerate quagmire that was IL2's. They're welcome to it.

 

[franksvalli]

Arg, as a fan of WWI flight sims, it's frustrating to see this thread degenerate into what it's become.

Nonetheless, none of us have actually played the released version of RoF. I have however been keeping track of the progress of the game each step of the way, as can be seen in the archive of news updates on my website. I even had the opportunity to interview them last December: http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/rise-of-flight-my-interview-with-loft

They have given out a LOT of information about what the game is all about, and there's some things going around here that flatly contradict what they've said in interviews and on their website blog. So I want to clear that up

Misunderstanding #1: RoF will be multiplayer-only.
Anyone who claims this should visit RoF's website and click on "Game Info", which reads: "«Career» mode - generated missions on the basis of the historical data about actions of the aviation in 1917-1918. Users can choose a plane type, a regiment and a date with which they wishes to begin their career."

Also note that RoF will come with a mission editor. This is the closest we've come to it (photo from a Russian squad's visit to the neoqb offices): http://wwiaircombat.com/pics/displayimage.php?album=23&pos=17

Misunderstanding #2: RoF will not be moddable
I was concerned about this as well, so I asked them directly in my interview: http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/rise-of-flight-my-interview-with-loft (scroll to my question "Will users be free to create their own mods (aircraft, scenery, etc.), or would this conflict with the pay-to-play downloadable content?")

Misunderstanding #3: To fly RoF online, you may have to pay a monthly subscription.
Although you will have to log in to their servers through the game even to play single player, they have stated explicitly that you won't have to make extra payments for this. The only thing you will have to pay for after the game release are additional aircraft, which are said to be released every month or so. You can choose not to pay for these additional aircraft, then you will still be able to see them in the multiplayer skies, you just won't be able to fly them yourself.

Anyhow, all this being said, there will definitely be some things that disappoint. This is true for anything that's released. One of the true criticisms here is that RoF will not have any early-war aircraft upon release. But there's nothing to stop modders from creating their own aircraft! The developers are wide open to user mods, and users even profiting from their own mods (as they said in my interview with them)!

 

[Over50]

Im Here taking notes :wave:
this is an Off forum and it will remain that way
be sure that anyone who causes trouble here
will not do it again
some off you know who you are some do not
this is the last warning
H

Thank you for responding! Please consider just deleting this thread or remove the offending/inciting posts as what it degenerated into serves no useful purpose.

 

[Winder]

Hand signals and flares were missed in real life so I guess it's pretty realistic eh?

I have no idea as I have not seen how it has been implemented in ROF from a players perspective nor how it may increase immersion or be a pain in the ass to try and spot or wait for the message.
And in reality that is not what I am trying to debate here at all this is not about ROF.

What I am trying to debate and talk about is how we should/could implement this in OFF - because this is an OFF forum - and yes these vids give us ideas but we want them to add rather than become a negative...

So now in OFF if it would be missed 90% of the time due to limited FOV and awareness or you have to read a message pop up (because you are likely to miss it visually), or indeed even make a sound play - then I will probably not bother implementing hand signal features in OFF.... but we will think about it as usual - flares are already a loadout for craft so that is far more viable..and likely to be seen...

HTH

WM

 

[rabu]

Thanks for the info, Franksville, I think generally, we all are looking forward to ROF being successful and I hope they can follow through with their plans. Like others have said, there's plenty of room for both, not too many WWI sims of any merit turn up very often, but this looks like it might be one, to join with OFF and RB.

It's only human nature to get defensive about a game you really like and it felt like sort of a violation for the posts about ROF to show up in our forum, after the cutting down it got over at SHQ, and that led to some bad words being thrown out, but I don't think anyone wants it to lead to people leaving, like PD, he has been here for a long time and I hope he realizes that some things were said in maybe an overly defensive way, not meant to demean MP, which he loves and has helped others get involved in with OFF.

Anyway, I hope we can move on from this and just drop the whole thing before more feelings get hurt.

 

[Legion]

Society goes forth with cooperation. Even from the "clash" between two "opposing" teams derives a better future for WWI aviation games. But regarding the fact that WWI aviation games are not many, we can see here that RoF can get from OFF and vice versa. So in the future we can expect games ten times better than today's because the developers from one group, get ideas from the other. I dont care if RoF was made by "Hackers" or "Russians" . Can they make a game? Yes? So whats the fuss? Imagine two cities completely isolated from each other. We leave them like this for a few years and then letting them communicate. They are going to grow faster and better after letting them cooperate.
Yes, RoF looks nice. But is it gonna have depth as a game?
My guess is, that its goinna be like any other of today's games. Exciting trailers, eye candy, but after a week of playing, you will get bored of it.
So what then? I think that RoF can take many stuff from OFF. But since this is OFF's forum, I think that some stuff can be taken from RoF to implement in OFF at the future.
In my opinion, OFF is an amazing game. OFF is a thousand times better than RoF.

Totally agree with you on this,

OFF Has FAR more going for it with the campaign. Im a bit doubtful in having to log on to the ROF server just to be able to get a single player game. OFF has soo many aircraft to start with, with all those extra skins as well. yes ROF looks nice, but i doubt if it would last even a week on my PC. I dont approve of only having the best later aircraft straight away, thats NOT how it happened in history, How much will the A/c addons cost? how many A/c will be released each month? will it be a flat rate or will the costs vary between each A/c you want? Times are hard & money is too. Im not saying MP is bad, but I also remember the anger & frustration with Il2 Mp games. I truly hope that ROF doesnt go down the same road as them!

I wish ROF every success, & i hope that my fears/concerns will have been groundless, I realise that they are still developing it, & no-ones played the full ROF game as yet, but i have OFF BHAH in my sticky mitts now, & it has far exceeded any expectations i may have had of it when i played OFF P2.

 

[Over50]

I have no idea as I have not seen how it has been implemented in ROF from a players perspective nor how it may increase immersion or be a pain in the ass to try and spot or wait for the message.
And in reality that is not what I am trying to debate here at all this is not about ROF.

What I am trying to debate and talk about is how we should/could implement this in OFF - because this is an OFF forum - and yes these vids give us ideas but we want them to add rather than become a negative...

So now in OFF if it would be missed 90% of the time due to limited FOV and awareness or you have to read a message pop up (because you are likely to miss it visually), or indeed even make a sound play - then I will probably not bother implementing hand signal features in OFF.... but we will think about it as usual - flares are already a loadout for craft so that is far more viable..and likely to be seen...

HTH

WM

Not being a "purist" in any form or fashion, from my perspective this "replicated realism" crap is bordering on the ridiculous. I mean, come on, this is a 2 dimensionally displayed computer game with the inherent constraints accordingly.

You guys (dev's) have created a top notch realistic combat flight sim as well as continually monitor the OFF 3 forum discussions while generating game updates to further the quality and functionality of the game.

But at what point do you say enough is enough. I mean, some folks appear to me about as anal as can be with regard to this realism thing. So much so that I'm surprised you haven't already been prodded to provide canned engine exhaust fumes with the DVD or leather goggles with oil streaked lenses...

You want hand signals...ok, I have one in mind...

Gimme' a break...this is :bs:

 

[Siggi]

Not being a "purist" in any form or fashion, from my perspective this "replicated realism" crap is bordering on the ridiculous. I mean, come on, this is a 2 dimensionally displayed computer game with the inherent constraints accordingly.

You guys (dev's) have created a top notch realistic combat flight sim as well as continually monitor the OFF 3 forum discussions while generating game updates to further the quality and functionality of the game.

But at what point do you say enough is enough. I mean, some folks appear to me about as anal as can be with regard to this realism thing. So much so that I'm surprised you haven't already been prodded to provide canned engine exhaust fumes with the DVD or leather goggles with oil streaked lenses...

You want hand signals...ok, I have one in mind...

Gimme' a break...this is :bs:

It's escapism mate, a fantasy role-play, and anything that helps further the suspension of disbelief is regarded in a very positive light.

It's no different from watching a movie and seeing it spoiled by the mic coming into view, or bad acting or a duff prop.

 

[cpirrmann]

I don't have any bone to pick with who the devs of ROF are. The graphics are spectacular, no doubt, and I'd really like to gite it a try. My problem with the wavy grass, spectacular water reflections, amazing effects from the ground view. My problem is why are they spending so much time on this stuff that you will rarely see (I didn''t say never) instead of releasing something we can fly in the air?

But one thing just killed it for me, MP, SP, or amazing dynamic campaign regardless, if I have to be connected to their server to play SP, then forget it. That means, if my internet is out or I'm not online or their server is down, ROF is out too. I hope they change that otherwise, they've lost a customer.

And... from what I've seen, at least since the crash, all one,two,three has contributed to this forum is ROF PR. If that's what he wants, that's fine, but like has been said, it doesn't need to degenerate into a 'mines better' debate. There is a major difference between the two that is critical to me.....OFF os here now, ROF is still in transit, and I'll have a lot of hours in OFF long before I could've gotten ROF.In, short, I'll get excited about ROF when I can fly it without being connected to their server.

 

[Over50]

But one thing just killed it for me, MP, SP, or amazing dynamic campaign regardless, if I have to be connected to their server to play SP, then forget it.

I grimmaced too when I read that. If this be the case with the final release then I'll have to pass on it. Hopefully it will have an off-line option for SP much the same as HL2 did/does with Steam when you first set up the game.