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The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.
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pomme homme
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Well, it appears that Kevin has spent even more time at the BNF that I have! 
But I remain confused. Is the Anzani powered aviette the Beaucarnot Aireau or is that its amphibious predecessor? If the latter, presumably the former remains to be identified? And although I have reread Kevin's posts, I'm not sure whether he's saying that it was the aviette or the predecessor amphibian that was given to Nicolas Payen and in which he installed rocket power which nearly powered him heavenward rather sooner than 2004.
Edit: it was the aviette that the sixteen (!) year old Payen tried unsuccessfully to propel by rocket power.
[http://museedelta.free.fr/payen/payenbio.htm]
But, if the Aireau was the amphibian, this doesn't help identify the Anzani powered aviette beyond saying that it was Jean Beaucarnot's light aeroplane.
But I remain confused. Is the Anzani powered aviette the Beaucarnot Aireau or is that its amphibious predecessor? If the latter, presumably the former remains to be identified? And although I have reread Kevin's posts, I'm not sure whether he's saying that it was the aviette or the predecessor amphibian that was given to Nicolas Payen and in which he installed rocket power which nearly powered him heavenward rather sooner than 2004.Edit: it was the aviette that the sixteen (!) year old Payen tried unsuccessfully to propel by rocket power.
[http://museedelta.free.fr/payen/payenbio.htm]
But, if the Aireau was the amphibian, this doesn't help identify the Anzani powered aviette beyond saying that it was Jean Beaucarnot's light aeroplane.
pomme homme
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Oh, come, come, Mike. There were only 260 of them. It looks as if you're getting lazy in your dotage!
pomme homme
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I promise that, after this, I'll go away and do something more productive. There's a fascinating website (http://www.acfr.fr/files/Exposition...avions_a_aile_delta_-_par_Pierre_Gaillard.pdf) that includes a drawing of the Airëau à fusées and the following text:
Which, if it is to be believed, indicates that Marcel Auroze gave the aeroplane to Nicolas Payen (Roland was his middle name) and that it was built by the Airëau company. It makes no mention of Jean Beaucarnot. But as there is no mention of who designed this aviette for the Airëau company, maybe this was Beaucarnot? If so, might that have given rise to the original attribution of this aeroplane? Now what were you saying about France, Mike?
Which, if it is to be believed, indicates that Marcel Auroze gave the aeroplane to Nicolas Payen (Roland was his middle name) and that it was built by the Airëau company. It makes no mention of Jean Beaucarnot. But as there is no mention of who designed this aviette for the Airëau company, maybe this was Beaucarnot? If so, might that have given rise to the original attribution of this aeroplane? Now what were you saying about France, Mike?
Good morning Gents. Wow, a lot to digest.
Firstly, gX gets the nod here with the Beaucarnot Light Monoplan or "Aireau" it would seem.
Sorry if my verbage was confusing in the earlier posts. Jean Beaucarnot passed this along to Mr. Payen who tried to rocketize it. Not the seaplane as this seems to be confirmed in the pdf PH directed us to (Nice find by the way Mike!). I also see that the pdf refers to it as the "Aireau". Well, the mystery earlier Beaucarnot amphibian that I read about was also called the Aireau in other sources so I'm confused there. I would really like to get more info on that build.
Not sure how Marcel Auroze fits into the picture as I did not run across his name at any point.
I will say this. Mr. Payen seems to have been a very colorful and interesting person.
Have attached the original unaltered photo.
Firstly, gX gets the nod here with the Beaucarnot Light Monoplan or "Aireau" it would seem.
Sorry if my verbage was confusing in the earlier posts. Jean Beaucarnot passed this along to Mr. Payen who tried to rocketize it. Not the seaplane as this seems to be confirmed in the pdf PH directed us to (Nice find by the way Mike!). I also see that the pdf refers to it as the "Aireau". Well, the mystery earlier Beaucarnot amphibian that I read about was also called the Aireau in other sources so I'm confused there. I would really like to get more info on that build.
Not sure how Marcel Auroze fits into the picture as I did not run across his name at any point.
I will say this. Mr. Payen seems to have been a very colorful and interesting person.
Have attached the original unaltered photo.
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PH did a wonderful job, especially finding that drawing of the rocket powered version but you came up with the answer initially:
"This mean that you are referring to a lightplane offered to Roland Payen by Jean Beaucarnot."
Kudos to both of you.
pomme homme
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Can I just give lefty reason to jump around like an écossais à fusée? I've come across another website which talks of the Beaucarnot Airëau as a 'light seaplane' dating from 1929 and as being a Payen design reference YA-11 (K3). If I might paraphrase a German popular musical ensemble of the seventies - 'Oh, those crazy French'!
cthornburg
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Modified Starduster Two. With radial and canopy. I helped build one in the early 70s.
Chris
Chris
cthornburg
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Moskalev SAM5-2 bis (or S-2) "sanitarnyi" (sorry for the poor transliteration)
Cheers
BG
cthornburg
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right on over to you Baragouin
Chris
Chris
Thanks Chtornburg...
Here's my offer from a very old magazine of the early thirties
Cheers
There are not so many biplanes with I-type interplane struts and a “strong” V-12. It might come from a dark country where photographers are not welcome?
cthornburg
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I'm with Lefty looks like Bre.19 and Loring but I don't have a pix of the Loring R-II maybe that one.
Chris
Chris
Sorry gentlemen to bother you but I'm also puzzled by this aircraft and was hoping that some of you might come up with a solution. The legend with the picture reads "Ansaldo metallico which is obviously wrong! Unfortunately my PC isn't working properly and I will have to quit till the problem is solved (hopefully within tomorrow).
In the meantime it is OH for me.
Cheers
BG