RFN F-8 Crusader is out!!

[mercure]

To complete my point.
Is the double or triple nuts plane gifted with special colours or insign?

Thanks all for clarification

 

[Mike71]

I'm aware of the each outfit having a Double Nuts (00) modex, I guess I should of said it differently i.e,. when commenting on the OO which are shaped like hardware nuts aka bolt nuts.

In one Navy squadron I was in, there were shoulder boards of the pilots rank painted beside the pilots name on each F8 aircraft.

Regarding names on Navy aircraft. I cannot recall a squadron without more pilots /NFO's than airplanes assigned to it. SOOooo - not everyone got their name on a plane.

In a squadron, pilots / NFOs were assigned "rocket numbers" used when checking in on a target range as part of the bomb/rocket/strafe exercise, for scoring. These numbers went by squadron seniority.

Obviously, the junior officers were low on the rocket number list and therefore didn't get their name painted on one, but typically would have moved up in seniority over a typical squadron tour, as people were re-asigned, replaced, promotions, etc.

No hard rules. In an A-6 squadron for instance, the CO would be painted on 500 under the left canopy rail, the senior NFO painted on the right side. On an F-14, front and rear respectively.

Some squadrons would put the plane captain's name on the right side somewhere - A-4s it was typically on the nose gear door.

All this was done internally in the squadron by the airframes work center ("shop"), who were only allowed to do a certain amount of painting according to NAVAIR regs, but it was pretty loose at times. Corrosion control was by far the biggest part of their work effort. As I recall, NAVAIR started to approve laminated decals to be applied in the 60's - initially it was resisted due to concern about dissimilar material corrosion underneath one.

 

[Mike71]

To complete my point.
Is the double or triple nuts plane gifted with special colours or insign?

Thanks all for clarification

This particular one is apparently for the CAG, the rudder colors represent all the various colors in the wing. Other planes in the squadron would have a different rudder, but all the same (or no) design. ON "SHANG" in this time period their were 2 F-8 and 3 A-4 squadrons, plus a couple of detachments with other off-colors. perhaps 4 EA-1F;s, perhaps 4 KA-3's and at that time, a helo det. Det colors were usually not included in a "CAG bird" paint scheme that I can recall. In VF-111 at this time, all the others looked as in this photo link: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url..._of_VF-111_in_flight_over_California_1970.jpg

 

[Mike71]

I believe 00 is reserved for the CAG each squadron would have a CAG bird even if he was not checked out in that particular type.
Often the squadron commander would have 01.
The nuts reference is just slang for zeros. If combined with another number it might be balls, as in 78-005 might be called balls five.

Not every squadron necessarily had a CAG bird; some wings might have one CAG bird for each type in the wing, and the senior squadron of that type would own it - i.e., with three A-4 squadrons, only the senior A-4 squadron (by squadron lineage, not CO seniority) would paint it up. I also saw squadrons with no "00" at all - the planes started at "X01"

 

[DaveQ]

Uploaded two VF-191 repaints just now. I was going to do a VMF-321 scheme (the blue upper fuselage with white stars) from the Alphasim days, but as far as I can find out, the unit only had F-8K's which were not equipped for operations with the Bullpup, so lacked the 'hump'. So I'll defer that for if RFN release an F-8C/D/E.

Stay safe all,

DaveQ

 

[Duckie]

Thanks Dave!

 

[gribouil]

Uploaded two VF-191 repaints just now. I was going to do a VMF-321 scheme (the blue upper fuselage with white stars) from the Alphasim days, but as far as I can find out, the unit only had F-8K's which were not equipped for operations with the Bullpup, so lacked the 'hump'. So I'll defer that for if RFN release an F-8C/D/E.

Stay safe all,

DaveQ

Hi Dave,
many thnaks for these beautiful VF-191 repaints!!!
I have one question though... I've seen you have uploaded two different files today (VF-191 and V1.1 update) but after downloading it appears that their content is the same... can you check please?
Cheers,

Stéph.

 

[delta_lima]

Thanks Dave!!

Appreciate you did the line bird.

dl

 

[DaveQ]

Thanks Steph - I've re-uploaded the update zip. Hope it's OK now. Honest to God I'm going to have to give this up. I'm getting that senile....!!

DaveQ

 

[WarHorse47]

Thanks Steph - I've re-uploaded the update zip. Hope it's OK now. Honest to God I'm going to have to give this up. I'm getting that senile....!!

DaveQ

Thanks, Dave. You may want to check the update zip. The contents are the same as for VF-191.

 

[mikew]

Great looking paints guys! I have been out of the loop since 3/29 when I posted a VF-194 paint I was working on. I've gotten back to painting after a difficult 3.5 weeks. I was the sole care giver for my mother who sadly passed away last Tuesday at the age of 86. Painting aircraft is a nice diversion from dealing with wrapping up my mother's affairs in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. That being said. Here is a paint of an F-8E of the VF-33 Tarsiers. I have to get it and the VF-194 packed up and uploaded. Hopefully tomorrow or Sunday.

Mike

 

[delta_lima]

So sorry to hear of your loss, Mike. I lost my aunt to the virus, but I still can’t imagine.

Lovely paints.

 

[DaveQ]

Thanks, Dave. You may want to check the update zip. The contents are the same as for VF-191.

Just downloaded these two. They both seem OK now. Marbles appear to have been found!!

Mike, I'm so sorry to hear of the loss of your mother. I was in a not-dissimilar situation 20 years ago. You have my deepest sympathy.

Stay safe all.

Dave

 

[Rami]

Reply...

Mike,

You also have my sincerest sympathies on the loss of your mom.

DaveQ, Duckie, and other uploaders...

I am more than a little confused by the recent rash of 1.0 and 1.1 repaint uploads, and have seen updates of this and that. Am I to assume that the 1.0 repaints are no longer valid?

1) If so, should they be removed?

2) If not, have, or can the original 1.0 repaints be upgraded to 1.1 standard so I can get rid of, apply, or consolidate the fixes and updates?

I figured I'd ask before I touched anything...just in case the plate is still hot.

 

[Duckie]

Great looking paints guys! I have been out of the loop since 3/29 when I posted a VF-194 paint I was working on. I've gotten back to painting after a difficult 3.5 weeks. I was the sole care giver for my mother who sadly passed away last Tuesday at the age of 86. Painting aircraft is a nice diversion from dealing with wrapping up my mother's affairs in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. That being said. Here is a paint of an F-8E of the VF-33 Tarsiers. I have to get it and the VF-194 packed up and uploaded. Hopefully tomorrow or Sunday.

Mike

Mike I’m so sorry to learn of your mother’s passing. My sincerest condolences go out to you and your family.

Steve

 

[Duckie]

Rami,

The version 1.0 and version 1.1 repaints as published are NOT cross compatible in their original forms. Different models and 2 specific textures differ between them. Aircraft config entries and texture patches are required for the 1.0 version repaints to be used with the later 1.1 Version. 1.1 version textures are not backward compatible without similar modifications. I have 4 v1.0 repaints that now have a patch available to make them forward compatible. To me it was easier and less complicated to issue one patch than to go back and fix 4 individual repaints which would then require the users to redownload each repaint rather than 1 patch. Although I can’t imagine why anyone would not want the updated version 1.1 but both versions are still out there so to eliminate the original repaints would limit those users who might still prefer the older version.

Just MHO. Let me know what you want me to do.

Steve

 

[DaveQ]

Wot he said...!!

I agree with Duckie. I think (at least for now) the original texture sets should remain in the library as the base textures, especially since there are known issues with v1.1 in FSX. Only the textures relating to the front fuselage required changing. I've done a bit of upgrading of additional textures as well, which are included in my update zip.

DaveQ

 

[fsafranek]

Leave the v1.0 textures in the catalog. It is only when you remove all pylons in the configuration that there is a visual issue.

If repainters want to issue replacements either as an update pack of just new "Fuselage1_T" and ""Fuselage1_Spec" files or entire v1.1 repaints then that is great.

Maybe in the latter case expand the Readme file to cover both versions?

Ideally going forward new repaints will indicate what version the textures were painted for either in the download filename but especially in the readme file.

 

[Rami]

Reply...

Duckie et al,

If you guys already understand this system and what goes with what, I'm inclined to leave well enough alone. I'm just glad I asked first.

 

[Duckie]

Duckie et al,

If you guys already understand this system and what goes with what, I'm inclined to leave well enough alone. I'm just glad I asked first.

Thanks for keeping us "honest" Rami!