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2011 Race Event 1 - Southwest Pacific Tour
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srgalahad
Charter Member 2022
So, the Navy has so little faith in the navigational skills of it's pilots that it has to station a Search And Rescue Aid out in the middle of the only leg that really requires serious navigation and planning??
Even an NDB (Compass Locator) to provide course guidance and position fixing, and then they make it a fuel stop... oh yeah.. and someone on deck to help them land...
Be sure you catch the wire IF you find the boat... there are sharks and subs in those waters...
Even an NDB (Compass Locator) to provide course guidance and position fixing, and then they make it a fuel stop... oh yeah.. and someone on deck to help them land...
Be sure you catch the wire IF you find the boat... there are sharks and subs in those waters...
smilo said:
yea, me as well.... i just got this wop b-17 for fs9, so i have NO idea its best operating specs for racing, im just in it for the wwii flight experience also... in it for the fun... im going to test a couple things before the first leg, but other than that, i dont expect to be breaking any speed records in it...
in fact, im going to try and find as much addon scenery for the available spots (if any)... i already have global mesh, so, should be a fun set of legs to fly...
srgalahad said:
i was kinda looking forward to flying that leg blind (ie e6b etc) and seeing how well i did navigating.... with some of my poor navigational skills, i dont know if an extra ndb out there would help me anyways !!!
i'm an army air corps type,
but i don't want to get into
the army/navy rivalry thing.
that said;
jeez, i thought the CV-3 location
was a kinda cool idea.
i don't plan on landing on it,
but i thought i would look for it,
or stumble over it,
as it were____
The way the carrier got there was that some of us “navy types” have been trying to work carrier landings and take offs into one of these events for a while. Not as an aid to navigation, but because we think it would be fun and challenging. The “Spring Events” for the past couple years have been “unsuited” to carrier operations, being more civilian, prop liner, and/or jet affairs. With this event we had a perfect opportunity to work in a carrier, but, leave it to me, as the primary rules writer for this event, to forget all about the carriers until after the route was developed. Then I discovered that Paul Clawson's CV-2 and CV-3 comes with the XML file that allows one to recompile the BGL object, placing it anywhere you desire. So, the next question was where to put it? None of the legs in this event, except for one, are long enough that dropping a carrier in between any two points would make it likely anyone would use it, or sensible to do so. Of course, placing it there does help with navigation on the long leg, even for the Air Force types. So, the end result of an attempt to make it more challenging, actually had the opposite effect.
Of course we could have made the carrier a required stop, but we didn't for two reasons. First, this was not a “navy only” race, and second, well, that could be another long paragraph... Basically, I've been “conditioned” over the years, by “powerful forces” so that I've now “bought into” the notion that making it “too hard” drives away would-be participants. In the RTW Race, for example, we can't require all realism sliders to be placed “full right” because that would discourage new pilots. For this event, my first impulse was to outlaw all types of electronic navigation aids, as well as automatic drift angle gauges, and fuel gauges that tell you your ground speed and exact range remaining. But in the end I chickened out, guided by the “don't make it too hard for new pilots” principle.
So, for the next event, look for a carrier landing to be mandatory, and I don't want to hear one peep about how difficult it is!
Oh, and I guess that means we can look forward to “no GPS allowed” for the next RTW Race, right? :mixedsmi:1. Is there a way to upgrade the Realair Spitfire XIV (fs9) for carrier landings? Install a hook?
2. Would this be legal in the framework of the event? Considering that Spitfire have been modified for carrier landings indeed.
Not that I'd ever have landed on a carrier, but that would cut the phillipine leg nicely in half for the range challenged Spit. And it seems some basics in carrier landings will be required for future events.
Gunter
Btw. Who said we don't like it the hard way?
2. Would this be legal in the framework of the event? Considering that Spitfire have been modified for carrier landings indeed.
Not that I'd ever have landed on a carrier, but that would cut the phillipine leg nicely in half for the range challenged Spit. And it seems some basics in carrier landings will be required for future events.
Gunter
Btw. Who said we don't like it the hard way?
You can add a tail hook to you plane by adding the appropriate section to your aircraft.cfg file. That would be ok for the correct plane, and the Seafire, of course, is. Here's the one from the FS9 Bob Chicilo A6M2 Zero.
[TailHook]
tailhook_length=4 ;(feet)
tailhook_position = -17.5, 0.0, -0.5 ;(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum
cable_force_adjust = 1.0
[TailHook]
tailhook_length=4 ;(feet)
tailhook_position = -17.5, 0.0, -0.5 ;(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum
cable_force_adjust = 1.0
for competitions like the RTWR,
we need rules,
clarifications of the rules,
and more rules for the clarifications.
that's how it goes.
no complaints here.
for events like this,
i look at it as pilot's prerogative.
if you want to be competitive,
then follow the rules to the gnat's a$$.
if you want the challenge and have fun,
do it your way.
what ever turns your crank.
i have the wind/drift and fuel stat gauges installed,
along with fsnav.
and soh fc server status is running
on another computer.
what i'm saying is,
there are a lot of ways to fudge,
but, in the end, it's up to me.
i just finished the long RPMB to WABB flight.
i did set my ADF2 to 109.5
so i'd know when i passed cv-3,
but i didn't turn to fly over it.
then i changed to 207.0
having flown a couple practice runs,
i knew it should be to my right and out of view.
i also knew that i needed to throttle back
and fly above the critical altitude (thanks Dave,for that tip)
if i was going to have enough fuel to make it.
so what's the point?
during the flight,
i did not look at fsnav or the soh server map.
i may have glanced at the wind/drift and the fuel stat gauges,
but did not take the readings into account.
i did use my experience gathered from test flights,
so i knew about landmarks,
fuel consumption, approach and such.
is that cheating?
i sure hope not
oh yeah, i also turned off the Shift +Z
longitude and latitudes
and the other navigation readouts.
Heidi, my navigator, was bored.
we need rules,
clarifications of the rules,
and more rules for the clarifications.
that's how it goes.
no complaints here.
for events like this,
i look at it as pilot's prerogative.
if you want to be competitive,
then follow the rules to the gnat's a$$.
if you want the challenge and have fun,
do it your way.
what ever turns your crank.
i have the wind/drift and fuel stat gauges installed,
along with fsnav.
and soh fc server status is running
on another computer.
what i'm saying is,
there are a lot of ways to fudge,
but, in the end, it's up to me.
i just finished the long RPMB to WABB flight.
i did set my ADF2 to 109.5
so i'd know when i passed cv-3,
but i didn't turn to fly over it.
then i changed to 207.0
having flown a couple practice runs,
i knew it should be to my right and out of view.
i also knew that i needed to throttle back
and fly above the critical altitude (thanks Dave,for that tip)
if i was going to have enough fuel to make it.
so what's the point?
during the flight,
i did not look at fsnav or the soh server map.
i may have glanced at the wind/drift and the fuel stat gauges,
but did not take the readings into account.
i did use my experience gathered from test flights,
so i knew about landmarks,
fuel consumption, approach and such.
is that cheating?
i sure hope not
oh yeah, i also turned off the Shift +Z
longitude and latitudes
and the other navigation readouts.
Heidi, my navigator, was bored.
Rgr that smilo. This event, like the RTW Race, is about fun first, and "sea lawyering", hopefully, a distant 9th ot 10th place in the priority of things. Doesn't always work out that way though! I turn SHIFT-Z on and off periodically to check the wind, then stick my thumb out the window to gonculate drift angle, and adjust my couse accordingly. I don't have the fancy fuel gauge installed. So far I haven't needed the ADF to find any of the airports. The coastlines and small islands help alot. Next time we do this in the middle of Europe or Africa! 
Gunter, the AH Seafires already have tail hooks installed. But I sure hate trying to look over that nose to make a carrier landing.
Smilo, that'd be PRB. The rest of Flight 19 just followed his lead on this one. We were already working on another event that will be a bit more complicated when Paul came up with this one for something to do while we work on the other one.
Smilo, that'd be PRB. The rest of Flight 19 just followed his lead on this one. We were already working on another event that will be a bit more complicated when Paul came up with this one for something to do while we work on the other one.
ya know, Paul,Rgr that smilo. This event, like the RTW Race, is about fun first, and "sea lawyering", hopefully, a distant 9th ot 10th place in the priority of things. Doesn't always work out that way though! I turn SHIFT-Z on and off periodically to check the wind, then stick my thumb out the window to gonculate drift angle, and adjust my couse accordingly. I don't have the fancy fuel gauge installed. So far I haven't needed the ADF to find any of the airports. The coastlines and small islands help alot. Next time we do this in the middle of Europe or Africa!
i've been thinking about this
and i'm not sure if Rob wasn't
just having a little fun,
jerking your chain a whee bit.
very nice job setting this up for us.
i'm havocing a great time
flying through thunderstorms and turbulence,
not to mention a nice big fat mountain
just to the left of my next approach.
THANKS A LOT, BUDDY
Well, it's poetic justice in any case, for all the complaining I've done in the past about RTW Race rules!
I'm happy for the good turn out. It's kind of a simple event that doesn't take too much thinking, while we get our brains around what we want to do for the "main event" coming later.
Thanks Paul for this event. Had a great time.
Been awhile since Ive done any carrier ops. When the MAAM Avenger first came out, I got fairly good landing on them. Did not care for the modern heads up display, but was fun.
Hopefully there will be a MacRobertson air race this year.
Been awhile since Ive done any carrier ops. When the MAAM Avenger first came out, I got fairly good landing on them. Did not care for the modern heads up display, but was fun.
Hopefully there will be a MacRobertson air race this year.
MM
Charter Member
Sorry for a late entry. Real life is interfering with the virtual sort...
Here we are preparing a F4U-1A in the VF-17 colors of Ike Kepford as a tribute to that terrific squadron's great contribution to the Solomons campaign. Tommy Blackburn's newly formed squadron was the second to receive the Corsair in early 1943 and spent some time carrier qualifying the aircraft whose handling characteristics were described as tricky as a "Hog on ice". Hence the nickname. In addition to the limited visibility, the F4U had a nasty tendency to stall asymmetrically on final approach--thus making the aircraft a dangerous proposition for carrier landings. The Navy decided to go with the F6F Hellcat on the CVs. In October 1943 Blackburn's "Jolly Rogers" kept the F4Us and were transferred to fly out of Ondongo on New Georgia. In the next six months, the squadron accounted for 152 victories and produced 11 aces. The Jolly Rogers became a legend.
The top scorer was Ike Kepford, a former Northwestern running back and a bit of a free spirit, who managed 17 before the end of the tour. Kepford survived the war to enjoy success as a regional vice president for Rexall Drugs and finally retire in the Chicago area. This flight wants to recognize him and the full squadron who accomplished much as extraordinary men in extraordinary times.
Here we are preparing a F4U-1A in the VF-17 colors of Ike Kepford as a tribute to that terrific squadron's great contribution to the Solomons campaign. Tommy Blackburn's newly formed squadron was the second to receive the Corsair in early 1943 and spent some time carrier qualifying the aircraft whose handling characteristics were described as tricky as a "Hog on ice". Hence the nickname. In addition to the limited visibility, the F4U had a nasty tendency to stall asymmetrically on final approach--thus making the aircraft a dangerous proposition for carrier landings. The Navy decided to go with the F6F Hellcat on the CVs. In October 1943 Blackburn's "Jolly Rogers" kept the F4Us and were transferred to fly out of Ondongo on New Georgia. In the next six months, the squadron accounted for 152 victories and produced 11 aces. The Jolly Rogers became a legend.
The top scorer was Ike Kepford, a former Northwestern running back and a bit of a free spirit, who managed 17 before the end of the tour. Kepford survived the war to enjoy success as a regional vice president for Rexall Drugs and finally retire in the Chicago area. This flight wants to recognize him and the full squadron who accomplished much as extraordinary men in extraordinary times.