A Lockheed "Rounder"

Here's a pic of a Navy PV-1 Ventura. I wish I had a better image of what the pilot has atop his head but it's hard to tell for sure. Looks like a ball cap though. I am in agreement with those who say navy pilots did not weaqr the "combination cap" like our USAAF shipmates did.

 
yeah, looks like a cap, but as Milton said it's gotta really cover all the bases... Harpoon, Ventura and Lodestar, here's a nice little tidbit i found;

It was never a very popular aircraft among RAF crews, and despite the fact that it was 50 mph (80 km/h) faster and carried more than twice as many bombs as its predecessor, the Hudson, it proved ill-suited to its task as a bomber. By the summer of 1943, the Ventura had been phased out of service in favor of the de Havilland Mosquito. Its last mission was flown by No. 21 Squadron RAF on 9 September 1943. After leaving bombardment service, a number were modified to be used by Coastal Command; they served as the Ventura G.R.I.. A total of 387 PV-1s were used by the RAF as theVentura G.R.V. They were used in the Mediterranean and by Coastal Command. Some RAF aircraft were modified into Ventura C.V transport aircraft....

it was a familiar sight over Holland/The Netherlands (Yes there's a difference, as most of my Dutch friends here would attest) in the early-mid war period, mostly low level and mid level raids where it faired less than well, 47 went to bomb some things in Eindhoven (North Brabant) on December 6th 1942 and 9 were shot down...

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a Ventura over IJmuiden (North Holland), looking at the angle in the shot and the North Sea canal running centre to top left and whats visible in the bottom of the image, this one seems to be just over land, but only just and heading North... one of several Egress routes if i recall, either that or a recce/BDA (Bomb Damage Assesment) flight...
 
Very nice picture Matt, thanks for posting. Looking at the picture the aircraft is flying straight over the huge bunkers which were built to protect the E-boats which operated from IJmuiden. These bunkers were a very popular target!

When you check Google earth, you will be able to see the one which survived, a second one was severely damaged and has (recently) been demolished.

The aircraft could also check progress in the construction of the fortification along the Dutch coast. In this period most of the huge artillery complexes were constructed in this area. By the time they were finished the Allied had already landed at the less heavy defended coast of France.

Cheers,
Huub
 
huub vink said:
I like them Milton, especially the Ray-Ban pilot glasses. I guess after the war pilots from most nations wore similar head wear. Perhaps the one with the cap could be replaced by a triangular thingy (don't know what you call it, but I can tell you here in public how we used to cal them :icon_lol:)

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When I was in the Air Force (30+ years ago) the transport pilots from 334 sqn still had all kinds of head gear and nobody bothered.

Matt great work ! I'm really amazed to see the progress you make a just a few days !

Cheers,
Huub
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FYI, the folding cap is called a garrison cap, at least in the U.S. I don't think these were actually worn while flying, at least not by USAAF, USN, or USMC crews.
 
It probably came down to personal choice. If I was a pilot in one of those PVs I would probably wear the ball cap seeing that they're light and its bill would be useful to shield light from my eyes, and also to keep off the tropical heat from my head and would be more useful compared to the other hats. If I came into a battle situation I would probably take off the cap to get a better field of view.
 
ok ignore the fact that it's canary yellow... rivetting has begun now i can get back to it full-time (ie, now i can hand over puppy watch to my parents :icon_lol:) :salute: also visible are the shadowing on the airframe, anything for that touch of depth :salute:
 
Garrison cap

Thanks for filling me in Stansdds. I think it was officially called "veldmuts" in the Netherland. But in practice everybody used a less flattering term, named after a certain part of a female cow.

It was very popular as you could wear it on your head, put in on your shoulder or fold it and put in your pocket.

As said Matt you really work fast, but do I see some misalignment in the panel lines at the roof?

Cheers,
Huub
 
yeah i moved them a bit to check on if there was any warping, rest assured they do line up once i re-activate the original line layer :icon_lol:
 
well guys Rivets are going on well, but they're guesstimates due to not having a good layout drawing of where they reside, if anyone stumbles across any, could you let me know :salute: apart from that they're barely visible anyways due to paint, so the question remains do we put them on as guesstimate and for 'feel' or do we leave them off entirely?
 
Matt Wynn said:
well guys Rivets are going on well, but they're guesstimates due to not having a good layout drawing of where they reside, if anyone stumbles across any, could you let me know :salute: apart from that they're barely visible anyways due to paint, so the question remains do we put them on as guesstimate and for 'feel' or do we leave them off entirely?
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Your work is looking great with or without. I'll leave the call to you after getting whatever input from comments here. :applause:

EDIT: And keep in mind that all the lines on the attachment are just estimates as well. There is no precision in 3D modeling.
 
Personally I would go for the guestimate version. I think the appearance is more natural with rivets on these type of aircraft, even when they are not positioned fully correct.

But that's of course just my personal opinion.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Milton Shupe said:
All the older aircraft pictures that I have good clarity on, the cowling attachpoints (rivets/welds) look like this.

Is this rivet or weld?
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Milton,

These are DZUS fasteners. They are a quarter turn locking fastener used to attach removable panels, which all of these pictured are. I've fastened and unfastened a million of them over the last forty years fixing aircraft!

Dave
 
p3aewguy said:
Milton,

These are DZUS fasteners. They are a quarter turn locking fastener used to attach removable panels, which all of these pictured are. I've fastened and unfastened a million of them over the last forty years fixing aircraft!

Dave
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Oh, you have been counting them? LOL Thanks :)
 
here are some shots if they help at all. She is pretty beat up.

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tankerguy72 said:
here are some shots if they help at all. She is pretty beat up.
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Ah heck...nothing that a can of Fix-A-Flat, some Rustoleum and a couple spools of baling wire couldn't fix. That bird is in better shape than most of the cars I've owned.

OBIO
 
ok after studying the photos and other images it appears most of the rivet lines run lengthways.... so i've been redrawing what i'd done to get it running along the airframe, before i go in ind infill the vertical rivet elements, a few vertical rivet line elements on and definitely getting more 'right feel' about it now :salute: many thanks for the images!
 
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