A Lockheed "Rounder"

[ferondoe]

Got the 6 variants redone, unfortunately 2 with configuration errors on my part. :-/

Nigel has sent the sound pack ... great stuff!

Fliger has continued improvements on the flight model ... on the numbers and handles beautifully.

Tank drops work great thanks to Robt. Sanderson's gauge.

TG72 has sent some reference pics for the fire tanker, more expected, and hope to start that tomorrow.

I have looked through all my data and do not have a 3-view to model teh "D" nose. Anyone have access to that model variant 3-view or an excellently positioned side-view picture.

Hi Milton,
My Tracker is well advanced, if you're still interested I'll agree to start a painting of the French Navy on your beautiful Lockheed. Congratulations to you and Matt for what you are doing is great.
rgds
marty

 

[Matt Wynn]

if you're still interested I'll agree to start a painting of the French Navy on your beautiful Lockheed.

i swear you guys are behind me somewhere.... i've got a list right here on my desk in front of me with 'France - Navy - Armed' about 3rd down the list...

i'm now going to look round my room for monitoring devices..... :salute:

 

[Milton Shupe]

Hi Milton,
My Tracker is well advanced, if you're still interested I'll agree to start a painting of the French Navy on your beautiful Lockheed. Congratulations to you and Matt for what you are doing is great.
rgds
marty

Hi Marty

I look forward to the ConAir paint scheme. Send it along to me and I will package up the S2Turbo PT-6A variant for testing. Thank you.

I know from your messages and pictures that you shared that you have wanted to paint the Harpoon in French Navy for some time. As soon as we get these alpha tests done and I feel good about no more exterior modifications, we can make it available to you.

Thank you for your interest in this project.

 

[SSI01]

Thank you for that research. What about nose guns?

Got the PM & will get back to you.

I saw only the two on top of the nose - no undernose pack.

 

[Ferry_vO]

i swear you guys are behind me somewhere.... i've got a list right here on my desk in front of me with 'France - Navy - Armed' about 3rd down the list...

i'm now going to look round my room for monitoring devices..... :salute:

Would this one perhaps be somewhere on your list as well...?

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Wish I could find more or bigger pictures though...

 

[Matt Wynn]

Ferry..... it is now! i just love the look of the blue!

*Runs back to paint shed during day off, "Lads... job on, get the cans ready!" *

 

[mgr]

Wish I could find more or bigger pictures though...

Something like this?

Marcel

 

[Matt Wynn]

interesting it has the 6-point roundel placement.... for those who are not familiar there is 2 point, 4 point and 6 point roundel placement... 2 point is just on the sides, 4 point is sided plus 1 on a topside wing, 1 on a lowerside wing... and 6 point is fuselage and wing topsides and undersides... do we know the closest colour to what this bird was? as a similar colour cannot be spotted in my KLU Colour swatch... (Currently had to mix and Match for best guesstimate)

 

[nigel richards]

[h=3][/h][h=3]Marine Luchtvaart Dienst (MLD) - Naval Aviation Service[/h][h=3][/h][h=3]MLD 1945 to Today, NATO (STANAGs, Standardization Agreements)[/h] After the war the Dutch continued their aircraft carrier experience with three (technically two) aircraft carriers and war missions flying British-supplied Hawker Sea Furies. Eventually the capability shifted to anti-submarine warfare and patrolling. Due to progressive budget cuts, only some ship-born helicopters remain to this day.
Apart from some late war dark blue models, most planes used the two-tone NATO scheme, with either a high or low demarcation line between colours.

Colour name	British equivalent	Aircraft type	Federal Standard	RAL	Humbrol	Xtracolor
Blauwgrijs (Blue Grey)	Glossy Sea Blue	overall: 2	15042	-	181	121
Donker zeegrijs (Dark Sea Grey)	Extra Dark Sea Grey	upper & sides: 1; upper: 4; overall: 5	16099	-	123	5, 376
Lichtgroen (Light Green)	Sky	lower & sides: 1	14424	-	90	607
Lichtblauwgrijs (Light Blue Grey)	Medium Sea Grey	upper, sides: 3; lower, sides: 4	16270	-	126,165	3,133
Wit	White	lower, sides: 3, upper fuselage: 6	17875	9010, 9016	22, 34, 130	141, 405
Zeevliegtuigengrijs	Semi Gloss Seaplane Grey	overall except upper fuselage: 6; overall:7	26081	-	32	129
Glossy Orange Yellow (US)	Identification Yellow (UK)	overall: 8	13538	-	154	106
Non-Specular Medium Green	same	anti glare on aluminium	34092	-	149	114
Non-Specular Sea Blue	same	anti glare on Glossy Sea Blue	35042	-	181	121

Aircraft types legend

1. Fairey Firefly, HO4S, Westland Lynx, North American B-25 Mitchell, Lockheed Orion, Hawker Sea Hawk, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman Tracker, Bell UH-1, Sikorsky -58, Wasp, later Grumman Avenger and Sikorsky S-55.
2. Harpoon, early Grumman Avenger, early Martin Mariner, early Lockheed Neptune, early Sikorsky S-55, later Sikorsky S-51.
3. Breguet Atlantic, mid Lockheed Neptune.
4. early Canadian Tracker.
5. immediate post-war B-25 Mitchell and Airspeed Oxford, late Lockheed Neptune.
6. New Guinea Lockheed Neptune on delivery.
7. operational New Guinea Lockheed Neptune.
8. Fairey Firefly T, North American Harvard, S-11, Supermarine Sea Otter, De Havilland Tiger Moth, Sikorsky S-51 on delivery.
9. Douglas DC-3 Dakota and Super King Air, not mentioned in table, see below.

Additional colour notes
With the Canada-supplied Trackers, it should be noted that the Canadian names for the quoted colours were "Dark Sea Grey" for Extra Dark Sea Grey and "Light Sea Grey" for Medium Sea Grey.
Following aircraft types ware painted in silver aluminium lacquer overall: Douglas DC-3 Dakota (except ex-KLu machines), Navigator TC-45, later also Taylorcraft Auster, Consolidated PBY Catalina and Martin Mariner. Dakotas had blue bands above windows. Some Catalinas had black hull bottoms.
Many immediate post-war deliveries carried WW2 camouflages (see KLu 1942-1945). These got a gloss coat and/or were changed to the schemes discussed in this section.

 

[Matt Wynn]

thanks Nigel, i'd completely forgotten about the site you found those on running round like a headless chicken at the moment... got a lot to sort out, my new photography equipment to test, getting my sorry a$$ back into shape (The usual 5mi run in morning and evening, 100 press-ups every other hour etc...) and other activities eating into my much loved 'development time'... but rest assured folks... she's getting there, should have a Harpoon preview in NL. colours before 2200GMT

still.... as was written by Shakespeare in Henry V (Act III) "Once More Unto the breech dear friends, once more!"

 

[norab]

This site has two pictures of a D nose in flight and tons of interior photos. nose appears to be blunter

http://www.twinbeech.com/84062before-after.htm

 

[Matt Wynn]

ok... base colour on fuselage has been layed in, several layers beefed up in visibility ready for Alpha channel later on.... ignore the wing tanks for now, time to put some Markings on the ole' girl :salute:

 

[Milton Shupe]

Looking good Matt. Are you using the latest model?

 

[Matt Wynn]

neg in 3DS max for basics, once i get closer i sort the .cfg then open it in MCX for previewing finals, once it's done i'll set about creating all the models to the .3ds format because i can see me painting Harpoons for a long while to come...

 

[Milton Shupe]

Okay, just curious as some things have changed ... like the size and shape of the external tanks.

 

[Blackbird686]

ok... base colour on fuselage has been layed in, several layers beefed up in visibility ready for Alpha channel later on.... ignore the wing tanks for now, time to put some Markings on the ole' girl :salute:

OOO!!! A really sinister looking Harpoon. A far cry from the bright yellow target tug scheme. All she needs now is red cockpit light illumination for that really "scarey", menacing appeal...


Cheers -- BB686:USA-flag:

 

[Milton Shupe]

Speaking of cockpit lights, anyone know for certain if the gauge lighting was a subdued natural (off white) or red. I know in the Howard 500, we used eyebrow lights and we gave them a kind of golden-tannish hue.

I have not done the night lighting yet as I am waiting to complete the panel setup.

 

[patful]

Speaking of cockpit lights, anyone know for certain if the gauge lighting was a subdued natural (off white) or red.

I've always been ignorantly curious about gauge lighting for WWII aircraft. Did they have true lighting or just radium-painted dials?

If voting's involved in the gauge-lighting color, chalk me up as being anti-red. Can't see those things worth a hoot. Guess it's my old eyes.

 

[Willy]

I'm all for red. Red lighting is what the surface Navy uses inside it's ships at night in order to preserve night vision out on the decks.

 

[t.creed]

based on time frame..would red lighting even be a choice then? i like the Grizzlys cockpit..white backlighting..

rgds
t creed