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Attention all DC-3 fans !

TuFun said:
Me too! I have two version, one bare metal... the other black metal.

Looking good!!!
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Bravo!

The more refinement the better. The VVC is shaping up to be one of the best ever seen in FSX- freeware OR PAYWARE, and the more attention Manfred's masterpiece gets, the farther it will distance itself from other iterations of this venerable old lady. MAAM SIM raised the bar and now Manfred, Gordon, Ted, Jan et al will do it en toto once more.

Keep up the great work gents- Per Ardua ad Astra :)

Carl
 
Manfred, Gordon, Ted, Jan . Again from all of us who been following this Outstanding DC-3 grow up from birth. Thank you to you all .
 
Here's a few pics of painting some custom radials.

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Thanks! I did these when I was developing the radial sounds last year. If you look closely I've added the clamps and the inter cylinder deflector plates plus spark plugs. Couple other stuff too.
 
Looking at the DC-3 engine this morning, I thought a photo would great but just to much in the way, Ted, I think that looks much better ! :cool:
 
Ian Warren said:
Looking at the DC-3 engine this morning, I thought a photo would great but just to much in the way, Ted, I think that looks much better ! :cool:
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The maybe a little splashy for a regular Dak, but I like bling!!! :biggrin-new: I used this drawing for details I want to enhance the engine. You can see the band clamps on the cylinders that hold the defectors.
I've enhanced the small hose clamps on the tubes on the heads. I even thought about doing the nuts on the cylinders towards the bottom. Also, aligned all the nuts on the front covers and thrust bearing cover.




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I just don't know what words to use to express my amazement, gratitude, and awe at the unparallelled artistry that is going into the VVC and the engines. I have no idea how it is done, it is all magic to me to say the least.

Once all the art work is completed, are any refinements planned for the flight model for this a/c with respect to flying qualities, etc, or do all the DC3/C-47 type sims tend to use about the same flying model? I ask this because I recently came across an article here ( http://www.douglasdc3.com/dc3compare/dc3compare.htm ) that discusses some of the differences in handling qualities (e.g., rudder sensitivity, pitch trim sensitivity, etc) between a real DC3 and what I guess is the default Microsoft DC3 simulation. To the extent reasonable/practical, it would be wonderful if the accuracy or quality of the flight model for this a/c approached the quality of the artwork. Perhaps that is already the case, I don't know.

Thx,
Al
 
ark1320 said:
...it would be wonderful if the accuracy or quality of the flight model for this a/c approached the quality of the artwork. Perhaps that is already the case, I don't know.
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With the big caveat that I'm not a pilot and have no RL exposure to DC-3's... I have faith in Alexander Metzger's ability to deliver top-notch flight dynamics, and the aircraft has that sense of mass that I associate with all his work, from his old freeware fix for the default 172, to the Dreamfleet Archer II, all the way up to the Sibwings Antonov. His name doesn't come up often enough in these discussions - to me he's an unsung hero of this project.
 
Alan_A said:
With the big caveat that I'm not a pilot and have no RL exposure to DC-3's... I have faith in Alexander Metzger's ability to deliver top-notch flight dynamics, and the aircraft has that sense of mass that I associate with all his work, from his old freeware fix for the default 172, to the Dreamfleet Archer II, all the way up to the Sibwings Antonov. His name doesn't come up often enough in these discussions - to me he's an unsung hero of this project.
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Well, that is good to hear. In my younger days I flew light SEL a/c in the RW, and so have some flying experience. Although I have no experience in anything even remotely close to a DC3, I agree with the comments in the article I mentioned above with respect to the default MS DC3. The amount of rudder input to keep the ball centered in a turn seems excessive, and the pitch trim seems much to sensitive (in this regard, some other RW pilots I know feel the need to modify the aircraft.cfg file to try and fix these "problems" in the default DC3). I also realize the comments in the article represent a data set of size one, so it would be great to hear from some folks with RW DC3 time.

Al
 
Alan_A said:
I have faith in Alexander Metzger's ability to deliver top-notch flight dynamics, and the aircraft has that sense of mass that I associate with all his work, from his old freeware fix for the default 172, to the Dreamfleet Archer II, all the way up to the Sibwings Antonov. His name doesn't come up often enough in these discussions - to me he's an unsung hero of this project.
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I completely agree! If AM is involved in the flight dynamics they are already as accurate as FSX will allow.

I can tell you that I do experience the inherent stability of mass momentum, as well as the need for a very positive shove on the rudder to keep the ball centered. I wonder if RW technique requires leading with rudder?

She languidly strolls down final, jostled by eddies, yet unperturbed and with the supreme confidence of knowing she will sedately find her way to the centerline. Never have I used as much up aileron into the wind on crosswind ground operations- and yet, after a few days of sheer panic, she has built confidence that if I promptly apply correct technique, she will not go wandering into the weeds. I have wondered who came up with the AIR file and if it's AM then Manfred's DC-3 already has the best man for the job.

BTW I looked for his free files a couple if months back, and they seem to have disappeared.... Anyone with a link?

Best- Carl
 
cavaricooper said:
BTW I looked for his free files a couple if months back, and they seem to have disappeared.... Anyone with a link?

Best- Carl
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It looks as though he's taken down his website. Might be worth trying to reach him directly via the Sibwings forums - he's been posting there fairly regularly about some additional tweaks he's working on for the AN-2 FDE. Beyond that, I'm not sure what to suggest, but I'll keep rooting around and see if I can turn up something.
 
cavaricooper said:
I completely agree! If AM is involved in the flight dynamics they are already as accurate as FSX will allow. I can tell you that I do experience the inherent stability of mass momentum, as well as the need for a very positive shove on the rudder to keep the ball centered. I wonder if RW technique requires leading with rudder? She languidly strolls down final, jostled by eddies, yet unperturbed and with the supreme confidence of knowing she will sedately find her way to the centerline. Never have I used as much up aileron into the wind on crosswind ground operations- and yet, after a few days of sheer panic, she has built confidence that if I promptly apply correct technique, she will not go wandering into the weeds. I have wondered who came up with the AIR file and if it's AM then Manfred's DC-3 already has the best man for the job. BTW I looked for his free files a couple if months back, and they seem to have disappeared.... Anyone with a link? Best- Carl
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Yep, AM did the FD! Models by Manfred Jahn, flight dynamics by Alexander M. Metzger, gauges, animations, and failure conditions by Hansjoerg Naegele.

On the graphic note... fix a few things like the spark ring, more square as in the real deal than round as it was in the black metal version. This should be the final one, except maybe you guys want a bluish/gray cover. I've forward it to Manfred for his ok.

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Ted- thank you mate! Will grab your sound update and standby for the final version of the engine update. I vote bluish/grey. She gets "betterer and betterer" :)

Carl
 
Here's the bluish engine cover for v.3 model when released.

Factory fresh right of the assembly line!

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