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Sorry, but once again where have these FACTS come from? Are they on a Microsoft website some where? has an employee of Microsoft been interviewed? They may indeed be factual, but until I hear it from Microsoft's own mouth, I simply don't give a toss. There has been so many rumours and presumptions over the last couple of weeks, that my brain is starting to oooze hydraulic oil as my temper rises.

Can a new forum for all these threads be started, so those of us who want to get on with the business of enjoying FSX don't have to be interrupted all the time? :engel016:
 
Enjoy FSX while you can. Future MS operating sysems may in themselves kill compatibility. Vista killed too many programs and hardware devices for me to trust MS to allow FSX to go beyond Windows 7. Hope I'm wrong.
 
WTF?!? Really??

If this is true they better give me exactly what I want... combat.


Nice... if this is true... it kills what made FS/CFS unique. This is exactly the reason I don't build ships for IL2... I have to get someone's authorization.


Im done with it.

:a1451:
 
This is an illustration of the beauty of capitalism and Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand". If there is a "demand" for a decent flight simulator or combat flight simulator then capable individuals or companies will "supply" it to the market.

Look at OBD Software and what they have done to rebuild CFS3 with OFF BHAH!

I'm looking forward to the next iteration of flight simulation developed by those passionate individuals who know how to write code (which is something I have no clue about)!

Kevin
 
Lionheart said:
Hey Bob,

Thanks for the heads up. Going to read it now.

On the Apple iPhone and iPod Touch, their extreme success was quite similar to Flight Simulator. Apple has all the SDK's for people to make their own Apps (applications or programs) for iPhones/iPods. Alot of the Apps are freeware, just like in FS9. Not all of them are payware. Being a iPod freak myself, I find myself on a Saturday night, browsing all the newest Apps, just like I did a few years ago looking for all the newest freeware planes.

Apps arent all about costs, and the ones that are actually payware are usually inexpensive. Apple programs are usually $1.00 to $5.00. XP9 for iPod/iPhone is like $10.00. Very inexpensive and all purchaseable through iTunes.


Now.. That said.. Maybe MS wishes to take a route like some of the hard core gaming routes have gone, such as Lucas Ltd. games, where you have to have an account and pay fees for certain things/time online/etc.. That is a huge industry and has extreme players in it and I am sure Lucas (and other game studios) do pretty good at it.

But... I think the FS market is mostly people that are retired and about 45 to 75, and will not be so quick to adapt to the kids way of gaming, pay as you play, etc, like the others.. Different market.

But, MS seems to think they can change the world and 'force' people to do their bidding, lol..

See what it did to their CEO! His eyebrows fell out!


:kilroy:


Bill
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If true Bill, just another example of us "old guys" being dropped from the target audience. It seems like everything these days is targeted to the 19-25 age group. Movies, books, television, seem to be moving on without us....or is it vice-versa??

Well, there's a lot of 3rd party talent out there producing really good stuff for FS9 and FSX that the existing franchise can be kept interesting for a good while to come.

Again, if true, it makes you wonder what data MS is looking at that tells them that this is the thing to do or are they assuming that the support that MSFS has will move to whatever platform MS decides is the way to go. Makes me scratch my head sometimes.......
 
Well I'm well stocked with beer and pop corn to watch this one LOL, lotta milage in this, best show in town bar none.

Seriously, the only thing thats perhaps going to take current FS games away from y'alls is a new OS, if you can live with XP or Vista for the next five years then theres no sweat, actually hardware may drive a few wedges in by only working on upto date software ?, after five years then lifes perhaps going to get a bit sticky, but five years is a long way away, I stand more chance of getting killed or seriously maimed at work tomorrow than loosing sleep over this TBH.

Best

Michael
 
Roger said:
If that were the case I would fully endorse hacking an authorization. MS from being the sometimes frustrating partner, have just become the enemy.
MS went nasty the day Bill Gates left.
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As much as I hate to say it, I agree also. I have tried to be a supporter of MS, but with this "proposed" new direction, I'm sorry, I will not support it and seeing how they are going about this with FS, might even stop supporting other products from them, meaning OS's, apps, etc. I LOVE my PC, I love PC gaming, but I get the distinct impression, MS doesn't want me to use PCs at all, if so, fine, I can go the mac route also like Bill if need be if it will get the point across to MS (loss of revenue).

I am a gamer, I have tried the online universe type games (WOW, Oblivion, Star Wars universe, second life, etc) and they are just not for me. I have 2 consoles and a few games for them, again, they are not for me. I love Half Life, but hate STEAM for getting games/updates. Best gaming experience I ever had was COOP play for Ghost Recon, what a blast!! I love online Multiplayer gaming, but the biggest problem is bratty kids that have no idea how to act and they ruin it for everyone.. If this is MS's target audience now, they can have it,

I REALLY enjoyed designing for SIMS2, guess I need to get back into it with SIMS3 coming out this month :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Im with Nick,

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Odie said:
If true Bill, just another example of us "old guys" being dropped from the target audience. It seems like everything these days is targeted to the 19-25 age group. Movies, books, television, seem to be moving on without us....or is it vice-versa??

Well, there's a lot of 3rd party talent out there producing really good stuff for FS9 and FSX that the existing franchise can be kept interesting for a good while to come.

Again, if true, it makes you wonder what data MS is looking at that tells them that this is the thing to do or are they assuming that the support that MSFS has will move to whatever platform MS decides is the way to go. Makes me scratch my head sometimes.......
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Time will tell. We have yet to see this actually happen..

EDIT: I worked in an Electronics department at a major store for a while and alot of the people that came in to buy new releases of COD and the rest were older guys, some retired. MS needs to realise this isnt all about kids.. Its older people as well, and..... 'the market is very very very smart'. We are not stupid....

With my mishaps with MS on a personal level, I ended up going to Mac, and I have never been happier. I may have to run FS in XP mode, but at least its XP and not vista.

Sweet freedom..



Bill
 
Well, while we're all speculating:

If the younger-aged groups are becomming the marketing target: The older-age group is becomming by far the largest consumer group (thanks to the Baby Boomers). Better not stop catering to our likes, MS. :)

If the next generation of FS is an app based system, like Apple, and doesn't require 'permission' to upload, and they put out an SDK, then developers may just have a whole new market as well as FSX/FS9. And if X-Plane developes to its full potential and attracts developers....

Mike
 
I'll stay standing if you don't mind? :ernae:

That's just Avsim talking, not Microsoft. Until I hear it from the source (and many of us have those, not only the would-be CNN-folks at Avsim) I'm firmly NOT voicing any 'facts' but instead just trying to make sure our hobby, and jobs, are as secure as possible in the future. By whatever means.
 
I'm with Francois and Nick on this one. I would be surprised if ANY former employee knows a damn thing about what is happening to be frank. The only people that know at this point are the bean counters and head honchos, and they ain't talking... yet.
 
Nick C said:
Sorry, but once again where have these FACTS come from? Are they on a Microsoft website some where? has an employee of Microsoft been interviewed? They may indeed be factual, but until I hear it from Microsoft's own mouth, I simply don't give a toss. There has been so many rumours and presumptions over the last couple of weeks, that my brain is starting to oooze hydraulic oil as my temper rises.

Can a new forum for all these threads be started, so those of us who want to get on with the business of enjoying FSX don't have to be interrupted all the time? :engel016:
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Well said Nick, I couldn't agree more.
 
Roger said:
If that were the case I would fully endorse hacking an authorization. MS from being the sometimes frustrating partner, have just become the enemy.
MS went nasty the day Bill Gates left.
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Oh yes they were. just not in their gaming division.. Still, taking the popularity of fsx and the entire franchise, i can understand why hey would remodel the entire thing to run on live / Xbox. it's a good strategy, albeit, a really taitorous one to those of us who have supported it and moeso those that worked at ACES.
I'm sorry, but i always learned to make my own rules, and with the events being what they are, if i were able to program, i'd already be working on a hack to get around the registation issue.
 
All i can say is:

:bs:

I agree 100% with Nick and Francois, it´s just like the plethora of "FS11" videos on youtube, FS11 screenshots and well, i still remember some FSX pics (while i was under an NDA) which were completely false.
It´s just a way to start a pandemonium, and well. WE KNOW that there is some strong campaing by Xplane creator to turn people over his sim..nuf said
Prowler
 
Roger said:
If that were the case I would fully endorse hacking an authorization. MS from being the sometimes frustrating partner, have just become the enemy.
MS went nasty the day Bill Gates left.
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+1 on the endorsement Roger. The amount of $$$ I have paid for FSX, Acceleration and addons, one way or the other, I'm going to be enjoying it for years to come God willing.


Darrell
 
Let me get this straight...

This thread concerns what a third party reports that an unidentified, disgruntled, former employee (who was sacked with little notice during an economic crisis) said concerning his former employer.... Have I got that right so far?

Would someone, anyone, be so kind as to explain just where the word "credibility" might fit into the discussion?
 
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