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Douglas A20 Havoc
- Thread starter Milton Shupe
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One of the frustrating parts about modeling from 3-views are the inconsistencies on the same authored prints.
This shows a comparison of the fuselage modeled to one and compared to the other.
Strangely, on the print where the side views do not match up, the top and bottom views do, all on the same print.
Of course we must also consider the different size and shaped noses for the variants.
I really feel for how tough drawing these 3-views can be, and across top/bottom/left/right/front/rear views.
Nothing new of course; we always have to deal with this, and will charge on.
This shows a comparison of the fuselage modeled to one and compared to the other.
Strangely, on the print where the side views do not match up, the top and bottom views do, all on the same print.
Of course we must also consider the different size and shaped noses for the variants.
I really feel for how tough drawing these 3-views can be, and across top/bottom/left/right/front/rear views.
Nothing new of course; we always have to deal with this, and will charge on.
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Milton,
These panels are also present at the aircraft in the pictures posted by John. They are behind the armament and according to the drawing I looked at they appear only on the later models.
I assume they are part of the extra armor which was introduces with the G and J models to protect the crew against ground fire.
About the drawings: I understand your frustration, but over the years I learned that even factory drawings are not always correct (understatement!). They normally show the designed aircraft and often this is not exactly the production aircraft. Not to mention common field modifications.......
Success,
Huub
There is a heavy armor protecting plate on the front bulkhead in front of the pilots and panel; it can be seen thru the later glass nosed variants.
I thoughe maybe these small side panels were either to protect the ammo cases for the forward guns or were there to support the recoil of the guns in the pods.
I thoughe maybe these small side panels were either to protect the ammo cases for the forward guns or were there to support the recoil of the guns in the pods.
Bomber_12th
SOH-CM-2025
Yeah, it is extra armor plating - the solid-nosed A-20G/H and glass-nosed A-20J had about 400 lbs. of extra armor plating added, compared to earlier variants.
As seen in these photos (and some others I posted), there are actually two plates on either side of the nose, with the lower plates wrapping underneath the nose, and there are even corresponding sections/panels on the nose gear doors as well, so that the armor plating wraps all the way around under the nose when in flight. In these photos you can also see how thick the panels are. BTW, if you click on any of these photos I have shared, it will bring you to the Photobucket page and you can view all of these photos in much larger resolution. As can be seen by these photos, the guns and ammo cans are all positioned in front of the armor plating.
This diagram shows all of the locations of the armor plating on the A-20G/H/J. With the extra armor plating, the pilot was fairly well protected from head-on and below - just not from the side.
As seen in these photos (and some others I posted), there are actually two plates on either side of the nose, with the lower plates wrapping underneath the nose, and there are even corresponding sections/panels on the nose gear doors as well, so that the armor plating wraps all the way around under the nose when in flight. In these photos you can also see how thick the panels are. BTW, if you click on any of these photos I have shared, it will bring you to the Photobucket page and you can view all of these photos in much larger resolution. As can be seen by these photos, the guns and ammo cans are all positioned in front of the armor plating.
This diagram shows all of the locations of the armor plating on the A-20G/H/J. With the extra armor plating, the pilot was fairly well protected from head-on and below - just not from the side.
That should not be a problem.
Wrestling still with the canopy and windshield; slugging it out; bruised but not beaten.
Progress is slow and painstaking; hopefully I can get a break-though today and get things in shape for real progress.
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Similar, but meeting the RAF's specifications. The aircraft was known as DB-7/ Bostons to the Brits and other buyers.
When the USAAF got in the game, the A-20 designation was used beginning with the A-20A.
Here is the breakdown and evolution from the DB-7 onward.
http://www.americancombatplanes.com/a20_1.html
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=186
Tom Burnside
Charter Member
Looking forward to this one.
Well folks, the cockpit windows and windshield battle is still in progress but its one that must be fought. Making a little headway but the windshield look is being elusive at the moment. Five days or so and its getting less painful, but no less challenging. The issue is getting the quarter windows and curvature shaped correctly. Only time and due diligence will save the day, or week.
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nigel richards
Charter Member
Well folks, the cockpit windows and windshield battle is still in progress but its one that must be fought. Making a little headway but the windshield look is being elusive at the moment. Five days or so and its getting less painful, but no less challenging. The issue is getting the quarter windows and curvature shaped correctly. Only time and due diligence will save the day, or week.
Exquisite Artistry, Sir
Just love watching the birth of these awesome projects!
Power to thine elbow Milton
Exquisite Artistry, Sir
Just love watching the birth of these awesome projects!
Power to thine elbow Milton
LOL Thanks. Funny that is doesn't feel like artistry when you are in the cage slugging it out.
nigel richards
Charter Member
LOL Thanks. Funny that is doesn't feel like artistry when you are in the cage slugging it out.
LOL
)))...think I know what you mean, but it's the slugging out part that defines the true artist.
Keep on inspiring
Bomber_12th
SOH-CM-2025
Canopy Framing Close-Up
Great shot; thank you John
tankerguy72
SOH-CM-2023
Masterful work Milton 