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F7F Tigercat SOH Project

Cag40Navy said:
Dorky question time! Will the small tank variant be done? Just wondering Milton.
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How many doors does the small tank have?

EDIT: Although this seems like a simple thing to do, there are a lot of hours involved in getting the right shape, the exact fuselage fit, and all the parts mapped properly. Essentially, I would need to build an all new small tank to do this right. If there is a specific need, I will consider it but just to have another variant means another model package with different textures, aircraft.cfg setup, model, and changes in the dump operations. That is a lot of work for another tank variant and not sure its worth the added time and extra setup involved. Can you help me as to the justifications versus moving on with the 5 models I already have.
 
Pleased as punch

Mr. Shupe, I have not been following this thread as I am almost completely dedicated to FSX. I however slipped in and read all 50 pages of comments on this project of yours. I downloaded the "Temporary" version and installed it in FSX.. I am pleased as punch to comment it flies and sounds terrific. I have long had the F7F in my favorites category, with your long and hard work there is now a bright light at the end of the FSX tunnel. I am looking forward to the "Finished" project and what further brilliance it will display. For being a "Temporary" version it already displays a "finished" look that many other products do not. My congratulations on this fine display of your formidable skills. I especially like the fact that many in the SOH community seem to be involved as well....at long last a "Community" effort...It is very cool to see everyone pitching in their individual skills and pushing the project along. So a very hearty salute to all....Lets hope the finished version is very close to being presented. I for one am looking forward to it with great anticipation.

Ol'Jarhead :salute::salute::salute::salute:
 
LC:

It should fly really well in FSX as I did amost all of the flight development in Accel. If you have that version of the sim the Essex "boats" by Michael Davies are great for carrier operations (with the AI ships addon).

One of the unusual things about this plane is the ability to rudder roll, a precursor to the handling of some modern jets! Try the spins!

Cheers: T
 
YUP IT'S GREAT

FLIGER 747 you're absolutely correct it flies great in FSX my system is on the moderate high end scale and handles the sliders almost all the way to the right..with that said I am getting excellent FPS with the F7F-300....no stutters or freezes...I can not say that for other products. I have long been a fan of Mr. Shupes efforts. On your recommend I will take the tigercat up to about 12,000 and try some of those spins...I expect to make a few nice little craters in the local terrain. Looking forward to the finished product. A must have when it is ready.

Ol'Jarhead :wavey:
 
LC,

Thank you for the kind words. The people who frequent our site here are awesome, always willing to jump in the fray and help out. If it were not for their great contributions, positive attitudes, willingness to be involved, or cheerlead, there would be no F7F, or A26-B, or E-1B. I am honored to be part of this family.

Now, I am wondering if you survived those spins in the F7F against all the recommendations of the test pilots. LC .... LC .... are you still here .... LC .... OMG!
 
Milton Shupe said:
How many doors does the small tank have?

EDIT: Although this seems like a simple thing to do, there are a lot of hours involved in getting the right shape, the exact fuselage fit, and all the parts mapped properly. Essentially, I would need to build an all new small tank to do this right. If there is a specific need, I will consider it but just to have another variant means another model package with different textures, aircraft.cfg setup, model, and changes in the dump operations. That is a lot of work for another tank variant and not sure its worth the added time and extra setup involved. Can you help me as to the justifications versus moving on with the 5 models I already have.
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I was just wondering. If not, i understand. All i was doing was just seeing if it would be or not be. (Plus, im still looking for ref info for the E-1B to help out.)
 
Mmmmm Also try the high dive from say 25,000 ft.... watch for Mach tuck if you go too fast...

T
 
I've not had much time to really test this F7F in FSX SP2 Accel, only two flights. Those two flights were very good. First flight went into a spin, but I was able to recover. Second flight was uneventful save for some acrobatics. Overall it is very good and it's still just a WIP. I would like to see a better start up routine, something closer to the real thing, but then I always ask for realistic systems operations and they are not always possible in MS Flightsims.
 
The real engine was started on prime, counting so many blades (probably about 13) then the ignition was turned on....(plus a cracked throttle) cough, fart, cough, clouds of blue smoke. Idle at 1000 rpm to avoid fouling the plugds etc. Then there was the warm engine start (maybe).

These things to work in FS require a lot of special programming and gauges and effects. Great if someone with the skills wants to contribute....

Cheers: T
 
Milton Shupe

LC to Base...HOLY CRAP!!......this sucker spins......OVER!!!! LC to base....Pilot requests new set of pampers...started spin WAY TO LOW......OVER......yeah, way to low.....way to low.... over

You're reply made me LMAO Mr. shupe..I wish I knew how to add a quote to tie it in with my above response.. On a more positive note I agree that this community is outstanding. I have been hanging around here for more years than I can count. Way back to FS5 I think..either way..it has gone through several re-incarnations and improves each time. I also wanted to say Thank you for the F7F as I said earlier I am looking forward to the finished version. I wanted to add I installed the A26 in FSX with the requisite updates (transparancy issue) and I slid your "propblur" bmp from the F7F into it's (A26) folders and the props look great. The A26 flies very well in FSX without any appreciable FPS hit. So overall just a quick Thank you again...but mostly for making me laugh out loud with your earlier reply.. a good laugh is much appreciated

Ol'Jarhead:wavey:
 
playing with quote tool

Milton Shupe said:
LC,

Thank you for the kind words. The people who frequent our site here are awesome, always willing to jump in the fray and help out. If it were not for their great contributions, positive attitudes, willingness to be involved, or cheerlead, there would be no F7F, or A26-B, or E-1B. I am honored to be part of this family.

Now, I am wondering if you survived those spins in the F7F against all the recommendations of the test pilots. LC .... LC .... are you still here .... LC .... OMG!
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Ahhhhh I see how its done..... Excellent.....Just like the old oxen plowing the field "The Oxen is slow, but the Earth is patient" I catch on eventually...

ol' Jarhead:wavey:
 
i dont know about its war "wreckord" but when they used it as a airtanker in california,besides the gear failure when landing because of the added wieght of the tanks,,they had to jettison any remaining retardant,and were still heavy for the nose wheel..i watched them land on the mains and roll out as far as they could then set down the nose...

but the pilots also said it rolled over if it wasnt "driven" all the time.....constantly trimming...

they flew them low and fast to fires...they didnt ( dont) cruise,,,theyre pretty much firewalled,,,and had this tendancy to roll over on theyre backs if left too themselves ( the airplane)
 
Must be a unique set of issues to the tankers. Corky Meyers didn't mention any problems with that during the flight test. I have seen some broken gear photos, the airframe/gear possibly had some fatigue problems. A few early models broke during carrier landings.

Another reason for holding the nose off probably revolved around aerodynamic braking, much beloved by jet fighter pilots. My guess is that the (cheapo) tanker operators didn't like to replace brakes.

T
 
fliger747 said:
The real engine was started on prime, counting so many blades (probably about 13) then the ignition was turned on....(plus a cracked throttle) cough, fart, cough, clouds of blue smoke. Idle at 1000 rpm to avoid fouling the plugds etc. Then there was the warm engine start (maybe).

These things to work in FS require a lot of special programming and gauges and effects. Great if someone with the skills wants to contribute....

Cheers: T
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I'd settle for 3 or 4 slow revolutions of the prop before it spins up to MicroSoft's 500 rpm minimum for ignition.
 
fliger747 said:
Must be a unique set of issues to the tankers. Corky Meyers didn't mention any problems with that during the flight test. I have seen some broken gear photos, the airframe/gear possibly had some fatigue problems. A few early models broke during carrier landings.

Another reason for holding the nose off probably revolved around aerodynamic braking, much beloved by jet fighter pilots. My guess is that the (cheapo) tanker operators didn't like to replace brakes.

T
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well i was a kid.....they could have been blowin smoke at me...lol....wow factor ya know?...
 
I think too that the fuselage AoA sitting static was 6 degrees with that long nose gear. If pilots used to flying other aircraft on approach with a more nose down attitude, they could easily hit nose gear first on these F7F's. Add the rush factor and added weight, recipe for trouble.
 
Im back! That Tanker version is looking great Milton! The doors are awesome! Cant wait to go bomb some fires! I also will be working on a Sis-Q paint scheme!:salute:
 
tankerguy72 said:
Im back! That Tanker version is looking great Milton! The doors are awesome! Cant wait to go bomb some fires! I also will be working on a Sis-Q paint scheme!:salute:
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Heyyyyyy TG72 ... great to see ya. Yes, hoping that the updated version with panel will make it a bit easier on the eyes ...
 
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