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Falcon 50 in FSX

Falcon 50 FSX - Hunting for gauges, part 2

Thanks guys, you're most helpful!

The gauges from the HJG's 727 are compatible indeed and very nice but don't light up at night!
I'll try the gauges from the Mirage IV. The Trident from dmflightsim.co.uk looks promising as well... So far it looks like this:

2D panel for 16:9 monitors:
View attachment 22352

2D panel for 4:3 monitors:
View attachment 22353
The real one looks like this, close enough isn't it? The credit goes to Lavigne and Cie of course...
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Tristar gauges: a cure for the Falcon 50 panel in FSX?

With some Tristar gauges (thanks guys) I've improved a lot the Falcon 50 panel. Find it here:
http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=lockheed+L1011+TriStar+2d+panel

There's a fake weather radar, that's alright... It's a real trijet, awesome! There's a lot of switches I might use for the overhead panel, nice!

But gauges don't light up at night. Can I live with that? Mmmm... Not sure... So I'll keep looking for the right medecine...

View attachment 22453
 
vonstroheim said:
With some Tristar gauges (thanks guys) I've improved a lot the Falcon 50 panel. Find it here:
http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=lockheed+L1011+TriStar+2d+panel

There's a fake weather radar, that's alright... It's a real trijet, awesome! There's a lot of switches I might use for the overhead panel, nice!

But gauges don't light up at night. Can I live with that? Mmmm... Not sure... So I'll keep looking for the right medecine...

View attachment 22453
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Looks like it's coming along nicely. Can we have a copy of your panel.cfg when you get closer? Perhaps we can help?
:ernae:
 
Falcon 50 Gauge Extraction: the only viable solution for FSX porting?

After studying closely how Philippe Wallaert made his xml gauges for his Tristar panel, and after reading some posts in freeflightdesign by Frank about Gau2Bmp and FS Panel Studio (that's the one I use), I've come to the conclusion that the best road to make a nice Falcon in FSX is to extract the bitmaps from all the YL50_xxx.gau file from the original FS98 gauges by Fred Banting and Yannick Lavigne, and then build new ones in XML... It's going to take some time, sure...
By using stock gauges from the Kingair and such, it's working but it's not satisfying...
By using the Tristar gauges by Philippe Wallaert, I feel like a thief....
I'm sure some people are already doing such reverse engeeniring with old FS98 gauges, so yes some help, tips or psychological support is much welcome! And some counselling about copyright could help too... No need to upset anybody by publishing something wrong or too soon...

New screenshot... Changes are not obvious but I'm learning a lot!
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That is looking superb.

Am contiuing to experiment, but am several steps behind you. I can't seem to get any night lighting in the VC. It's pretty dark. I have a hyrbrid 2d panel right now using digital EADI and EHSI gauges from the Flight1 PC-12 - which you see retrofitted in quite a few Falcons - while retaining the analogue engine and other gauges. Will start swapping out some of the King Air for the L1011 gauges now. Please keep us posted on your xml work.
 
A real Xml gauge programmer found!

Oulala nice panel expat, this ADI is beautiful indeed.
Yes I think I may have the help of a real pro of Xml gauge building. He already made some similar panel for Falcon 7X and 2000. He's the one who made the Tristar panel I'm hacking. So it's very nice of him to join us! Thank you Philippe
 
Dassault Falcon/Mystère 50 from 1976 soon in FSX

Slowly improving the cockpit... I'll stick to analog gauges, maybe I'm too old fashioned...

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But it's because this Dassault Falcon/Mystère 50 is from 1976 and the real one is stored at CAEA (Conservatoire de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine) in France, a museum for Dassault retired aircrafts and other french icons.

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Check it out!
http://photos.caea.info/
http://www.caea.info/

PM me if you want the panel.cfg and the 4 VC bitmaps. The XML gauges are not ready yet... But you can fiddle around with stock FS gauges...
 
Lighting fix for VC in FSX Falcon 50

expat said:
I can't seem to get any night lighting in the VC. It's pretty dark.
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Maybe you don't have the latest aircraft.cfg file, there is a "lights" section you might need. Here it is:

[LIGHTS]
light.0 = 3, -7.7, -31.2, -2.1, fx_navred ,
light.1 = 3, -7.7, 31.2, -2.1, fx_navgre ,
light.2 = 2, -8, 31.4, -2.1, fx_strobe ,
light.3 = 2, -8, -31.4, -2.1, fx_strobe ,
light.4 = 1, -25.2, 0.00, 17.7, fx_beaconh ,
light.5 = 3, -24.2, 0.00, 8.37, fx_navwhih ,
light.6 = 2, 4.61, 0.00, -3.62, fx_beaconb ,
light.7 = 5, 11.45, -2.10, -2.50, fx_landing.fx
light.8 = 5, 11.45, 2.10, -2.50, fx_landing.fx
light.9 = 4, 24.50, 1.80, 2.55, fx_vclight_f50
light.10= 4, 24.50, -1.80, 2.55, fx_vclight_f50
light.11= 4, 19.00, -0.30, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.12= 4, 14.00, -0.00, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.13= 4, 10.00, -0.00, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.14= 4, 6.00, -0.00, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.15= 4, 0.80, -0.00, 1.05, fx_vclight_f50
 
Thanks for your response. What got it to work for me was to i) use the default vc lights for the cabin lights, and for the VC panel ii) add an entry with the coordinates the same as the eyepoint.

Have now added L1011 gauges, new autopilot (with AT) and created panels for both an analogue - "vintage" - aircraft (as you point out, the plane goes back to 1976 which is cool and to be respected) and also, for fun, an Falcon 50EX which will have greater range and performance.

Before I forget! Borrowed the overhead panel and throttle quadrant for the PAD freeware Falcon 7x and really am now in business. Thanks for the help and inspiration.
 
Add some FSX camera definitions to really appreciate Lavigne's Falcon 50

Now with FSX you can add "camera definition" in the aircraft.cfg file. It's fun! Here are the one I've adapted from various planes: The inside view is worth the trouble... There's not a lot of aircrafts with such a level of detail in the passenger area in the freeware hobby. And this one dates back from fs2000! The Goose G21 for FS9 was nice, and some big Sikorsky S-42 & S-43 boat planes too, but that's about it...

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Add this at the bottom of the aircraft.cfg file:

// ----------------------- CameraDefinition - outside -----------------

// InitialXyz = lateral , height , length
// InitialPbh = angle , torsion , rotation

[CameraDefinition.0]
Title = "Tail"
Guid = {5c1df273-034b-4e7f-953a-9d5e26f1646c}
Description = Looking forward from behind the aircraft
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 0, 2.3, -20.0
InitialPbh = 10, 0, 0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.2]
Title = "Landing Gear"
Guid = {96873AAD-621B-4C45-8A58-DEF7B7FCB051}
Description = View of the landing gear and left wing inboard flaps
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .52
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -3.3, -1.8, -4
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 17
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.3]
Title = "Cinematic 16:9 (left)"
Guid = {f25dfa2e-fd2e-4b89-81e2-0575cbcb60de}
Description =Looking forward from over the left wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .5
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -7, 2.0, -12.0
InitialPbh = 6, 0, 25
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.4]
Title = "Cinematic 16:9 - right"
Guid = {C690EAFD-223A-42d0-99E0-681ADF93BB59}
Description =Looking forward from over the right wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .5
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 7, 2.0, -12.0
InitialPbh = 6, 0, -25
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.5]
Title = "Cinematic - front left"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-2E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Description =Looking backward from over the right wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 7, -2.0, 11.0
InitialPbh = -6, 0, -145
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.6]
Title = "Cinematic - front right"
Guid = {765CCF83-D7CD-4486-8983-A5714310CDD5}
Description =Looking backward from over the right wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -7, -2.0, 11.0
InitialPbh = -6, 0, 145
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum


// ----------------------- CameraDefinition - inside -----------------

[CameraDefinition.7]
Title = "Right Seat"
Guid = {8ff6c134-098d-409f-baec-caba3f683f98}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = YES
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .6
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.94, 0.0, 0.0
InitialPbh=20, 0, 330

[CameraDefinition.8]
Title = "Engines status"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-2E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.6
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.00
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.45, -0.25, -0.1
InitialPbh=14.2, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.9]
Title = "Engine Controls"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-3E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.60
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.30, 0.09, -0.18
InitialPbh=40, 0, 10

[CameraDefinition.10]
Title = "Overhead Panel"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-4E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.9
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.15
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.47, -0.12, -0.4
InitialPbh=-15.0, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.11]
Title = "Passenger area 1"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-6E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.30, 0.09, -0.18
InitialPbh=15, 0, 180

[CameraDefinition.12]
Title = "Passenger area 2"
Guid = {195EAB58-9F4A-6E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.75, 0.1, -3.5
InitialPbh=15, 0, 340

[CameraDefinition.13]
Title = "Passenger area 3"
Guid = {195EAB58-9FBA-6E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.75, 0.1, -7
InitialPbh=15, 0, 340
 
Having fun changing the colors in the fx vc light effects - and with your camera views - this is a blast.
 
Nice projects!

Any of you going to publish once finished?

Have very good memories regarding this Falcon 50. Like to see it go airborne once again in FSX one day.
 
It's coming...

Warrant said:
Any of you going to publish once finished?
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Yes it's coming! The regular cockpit is almost ready, some gauges in the overhead panel popup are hard to fix... And I'm waiting for the green light from all the original creators and partners, don't want to upset them... Some did reply !

Just for fun I'll try some inside texture changes. My girlfriend asked for some sheepskin seatcover for pilot and copilot. Since I'm spending way to much time on my computer, I couldn't say no to her, so I found some real aviation equipment web site and we looked at their online catalog, and we settled for a nice honey tan shade... Women... can you believe it... Screenshot soon...
 
Falcon 50 FSX - overhead panel done, what next? Flying!

Xml programming of switches is not that difficult. Locating the original bitmap of the red switches was a bit more challenging (remember the overhead panel didn't work in FS9). Puting it all together with FS Panel Studio is a piece of cake... I'll try to keep as close as possible to the original look. And some switches are still wrong or missing... So not ready yet...
And after that? Illuminating the engines gauges would be a nice touch. André told me how to do it... But I'm a bit lazy tonight... And I want to fly!

View attachment 22957

"Cold-and-dark" In Nice Cote d'Azur...

View attachment 22960
 
Thanks for the update. This is great to hear.

How is Yannick doing? Is he one of the people that responded? He was pretty good at models.
 
Falcon 50 dream team

Repainting the inside compartment is not that easy. My experiments with the sheepskin seat cover was terrible... I trashed it right away... I'll stick to gauges, nothing else. I realize how difficult it is to be a "texture" creator. And you need a lot of TALENT and PATIENCE of course. Yannick Lavigne had both, I don't have any...

Lavigne was the "artist" who made the wonderful textures I suppose. He had access to the real plane in France. Fred Banting made the incredible cockpit modeling and gauges, Rob did the flight dynamics as realistic as possible, maybe he flew in one of those, or talked to pilots. It's a real dream team. It has to be, the plane wouldn't have survived so many changes in FS software and harware...

More news soon... Have a nice weekend
 
Falcon 50 FSX grounded?

Lionheart said:
How is Yannick doing? Is he one of the people that responded? He was pretty good at models.
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Rob is the only one who replied so far and he's quite supportive. No trace of Fred Banting anywhere (any clue?), same with Mr Lavigne so far...

So I keep improving the panel with little goodies, trying to stay as close as possible to the original design. I think my autopilot is even better integrated than the original... And the WAAS Gps Map Gauge by Don Kuhn is a good useful alternative to the weather radar...

View attachment 23230

The autopilot is very basic, you'll have to adjust the little knobs in each corresponding gauges, like in the real plane I think. Where is the autopilot in a real 1976 Falcon 50 anyway? Did I got it right?

By the way I need an XML gauge with such a little knob and a moving "bug" to adjust the desired speed. I found such a gauge in another Tristar (by OMWings) but it's a C++ gauge I can't recycle. I need the XML equivalent: it's a 450kts variant, it has 3 needles: speed (white), max speed (red and white), desired speed (orange). Pretty common, but haven't found it yet!

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