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ftl818 said:
While going through the textures I noticed that Irish angel is not my latest version. In the present version the metal is still blotchy. On purpose? To be sure I'll resend the latest version. Same for the native D model textures.

Paul
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All the dropbox links showed as "deleted" except "That's All Brother" - I assumed you'd changed your mind and wanted to keep Irish Angel as is. Send over whatever you've got and I'll add it to the package.
 
I'm having some issues with the B-24. The engine sound doesn't change from idle to full power, it sounds like it's constantly at full chat. The throttles are moving and other aircraft work fine so not sure what's happening here. Can anyone advise on the issue? I'm using a T.16000 Thrustmaster, nothing fancy. Thanks
 
It's just the way the sounds are on this FSX conversion. I'd love to improve the sounds on this aircraft but that would need a new dedicated WWISE sound pack - which realistically isn't going to happen on a freeware project. Your best option is to follow the readme instructions to map it to the DC6 sound pack, if you own that aircraft.
 
If I understand Guzler's remark correctly "The engine sound doesn't change from idle to full power,", here is my opinion.

If we look carefully at the sound.cfg file in this pack, we notice that there are several files of the type xB24_rpm0x.wav [01 - 043] and that each of these files is called by the sound.cfg file depending on the power required via throttles.
When listening, these files are all different in terms of bass and amplitude, so the fact that they come from an FSX conversion has no impact: the sounds even FSX, that is to say Legacy, should work under MSFS 2020. That one wants to improve them with a WWISE pack is one thing but that these Legacy sounds do not work is another.

The first sounds we used on the Stearman were Legacy sounds and no one remarked that the sounds did not change according to the RPMs.
 
lagaffe said:
If I understand Guzler's remark correctly "The engine sound doesn't change from idle to full power,", here is my opinion.

If we look carefully at the sound.cfg file in this pack, we notice that there are several files of the type xB24_rpm0x.wav [01 - 043] and that each of these files is called by the sound.cfg file depending on the power required via throttles.
When listening, these files are all different in terms of bass and amplitude, so the fact that they come from an FSX conversion has no impact: the sounds even FSX, that is to say Legacy, should work under MSFS 2020. That one wants to improve them with a WWISE pack is one thing but that these Legacy sounds do not work is another.

The first sounds we used on the Stearman were Legacy sounds and no one remarked that the sounds did not change according to the RPMs.
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OK thanks for this, I assumed that we were stuck with what we have, since we have barely touched the sound.cfg. Thanks for the guidance I'll see if we can make some improvements with the legacy sounds; it's encouraging news that you think we can! I just need to do some learning about legacy sound methodology.

Any sound fixes won't be in V18 since that's hopefully going to be released imminently, but it'll be on the shortlist for V19!
 
In the past, there was a very practical tool called FS Sound Studio (http://www.fssoundstudio.com) It is still on sale and not very expensive (20$ USD). It allowed to work on WAV files in a very intuitive way (Online manual: http://www.fssoundstudio.com/help)

Even if the WWISE system seems to impose itself, we still have the possibility to add Legacy sounds to a WWISE set to correct it or if we cannot modify it directly (in case we use an existing pack on another aircraft for example).

PS: The price of a WWISE package creation is between 1500 (mono engine) & 2000 $USD.
 
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Thanks @lagaffe - I already made some good progress understanding how the sound works - I'm rebuilding it using sound.xml instead of sound.cfg, but with the original WAV files. I wrongly assumed there wasn't much we can do, but I stand corrected!

Out of interest, I'm looking for some generic WAV sound files for switches, levers, fuel pumps, etc. Is there any good source for these? Obviously need to be open source.
 
Thanks for your responses guys. I thought I had an issue at my end, but great to see the B-24 getting this love. I don't have the DC-6 so will wait patiently for the updates.
 
An evening spent playing with the engine sound curves was (in my opinion) successful. Hopefully we can get the new sounds to you all soon!

Here's an example of how (for a single engine) 4 different samples are blended together based on engine RPM. The vertical axis is the volume parameter. Each colour line is one engine sample sound: the blue line is the rough barely idling sound, progressing through red and yellow as the engine RPM increases into cruise range, then blending in the buzzy high RPM of the green line.

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Yes, these are exactly the type of curves that FS Sound Studio allows to manipulate to obtain smooth transitions between different samples.
As if the old tools still allow you to work efficiently ...
 
lagaffe said:
Yes, these are exactly the type of curves that FS Sound Studio allows to manipulate to obtain smooth transitions between different samples.
As if the old tools still allow you to work efficiently ...
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If I find myself needing to do more sound than just this single project then I might buy it since it does look useful, but for now I'll stick with a spreadsheet plus some trial-and-error reloading in the sim. Thankfully I have a bare-bones MSFS 2020 install on my PC so I can easily reload the aircraft from the SDK after making changes to the sound xml (I don't have the project itself).

I've created some formulas in my spreadsheet to build chunks of XML for the sound curves, which minimises my copy-pasting!
 
With regard to the sound.xml, something I've just learned is possible thanks to "SV-001/R" in the FS2 Discord is using multiple volume curves on each <Sound> tag. The VolumeCurve section which reads the "INTERACTIVE POINT OPEN" value allows us to "fake" door/window sound deadening without being forced down the WWISE path. Figured others might find it helpful.
FlakNine said:
If I find myself needing to do more sound than just this single project then I might buy it since it does look useful, but for now I'll stick with a spreadsheet plus some trial-and-error reloading in the sim. Thankfully I have a bare-bones MSFS 2020 install on my PC so I can easily reload the aircraft from the SDK after making changes to the sound xml (I don't have the project itself).

I've created some formulas in my spreadsheet to build chunks of XML for the sound curves, which minimises my copy-pasting!
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<Sound WwiseEvent="Combustion" EngineIndex="1" Wwisedata="false" FileName="piper_rpm2" ViewPoint="Inside" ConePitch="0" ConeHeading="0" InsideConeAngle="360" OutsideConeAngle="360" OutsideConeVolume="10000" NodeName="C90_simp">
<PitchCurve SimVar="GENERAL ENG COMBUSTION SOUND PERCENT" Units="percent over 100" Index="1">
<Point SimValue="0.211" Output="0.977" />
<Point SimValue="0.35" Output="1.122" />
</PitchCurve>
<VolumeCurve SimVar="GENERAL ENG COMBUSTION SOUND PERCENT" Units="percent over 100" Index="1">
<Point SimValue="0.028" Output="0" />
<Point SimValue="0.063" Output="15.2" />
<Point SimValue="0.118" Output="74.4" />
<Point SimValue="0.287" Output="83.2" />
<Point SimValue="0.347" Output="12.8" />
<Point SimValue="0.438" Output="0" />
<Point SimValue="0.731" Output="0" />
<Point SimValue="0.863" Output="0" />
</VolumeCurve>
<VolumeCurve SimVar="INTERACTIVE POINT OPEN" Units="percent over 100" Index="0">
<Point SimValue="0" Output="33" />
<Point SimValue="1" Output="100" />
</VolumeCurve>
</Sound>`
Each <Sound> tag in sound.xml can have multiple <VolumeCurve> tags. I can make sound insulation with door open and close with that.
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OK so here is V18 of the B-24 Repack. I think it's ready to upload to flightsim.to but I'll defer to @SeeRyFly on that. In the meantime you can download V18 directly here.

V18 changelog
  • Entirely new engine sounds using samples from the freeware "P&W R-1830 Turbo-Supercharged Radial Sounds" hosted on Simviation.com, Posted May 19, 2013 16:58 by Kelly McKernan"
  • Many more sounds for cockpit interactions, without needing to use the DC-6 sound pack.
  • Added engine priming functionality and more realistic starter switch operations. The flow adapted from the B24 POH is:
    • Enable booster pump
    • Holder PRIMER switch for 2-5s. Overpriming can be cleared by opening the throttle and waiting (check status in tooltip)
    • Hold ACCEL switch for approx 12s (until starter reaches 12000 RPM). IMPORTANT: Read the labels on the switches - they are not arranged engine 1-4 as you may expect!
      • Known issue: tooltips for starter RPM not working well in MSFS 2024, but OK in MSFS 2020.
    • Mixure should be AUTO-LEAN. Note the mixure levers are currently reversed so this is isn't really correct yet - just positioning the lever somewhere around 50% is OK for start. The mixture logic will hopefully be enhanced in the next update.
    • Flick the MESH switch to crank the engine. Again note the switch labels carefully!
    • Since the engine start is now more involved, I ensured that CTRL-E can also be used as a shortcut to quick-start the engines.
  • Fixed .FLT files to ensure the correct fuel pumps are running appropriately to the spawn condition.
  • Updated flight model and engine config files to get closer to real performance data (thanks to ftl818)
  • Added cockpit vibrations driven by a mix of engine RPM and ground roll
  • Added a basic checklist, this can be expanded in the future. Note there are some minor deviations from the real POH due to current limitations or yet-to-be implemented features in the aircraft.
  • Added more cockpit camera positions.

Tentative plans for V19
  • Yet more system depth, especially around engine management.
  • Fine-tune the new V18 sounds; I'd especially like to improve the external sounds.
 
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Just downloaded V18 from .to and it doesn't show in my aircraft selection menu... I'll try the direct link above.


Edit: No joy. Still not showing in the aircraft selection menu with the dropbox file
 
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