FS2004 FRANCE-VFR / BRETAGNE-VFR

[michaelvader]

Does some one have from FRANCE-VFR the FS2004 version of BRETAGNE-VFR?
I got a copy from a friend. But it does not to be complete.
Knowing well Southern Brittany by sailing there a lot of years some details look not to be right, especially when I look to the islands of Belle Ile and Groix.
The meshs does not to match reality.
Also I have te problem of buildings, and complete villages to apear for a microsecond as white cubes than disapear for ever.
So I presume that some mesh and some textures are missing.
I tried different settings of my FS2004, But on my pc as on the pc of two friends the problems are the same.
I wrote to the editor FRANCE-VFR. His Answer was that the original FS2004 BRETAGNE-VFR is no longer avaible at his store and I should search to find the scenery at revendors on the net.
What I did with out any success
In general the scenery is quiet nice but without the buildings, towns and villages it is a bit "dead" and disapointing.

Best regards

Michael from Brittany

 

[wolfebee89]

@michaelvader you can always post your request in the FS2020/2024 forums both here at SOH and at avsim if not also at pilote-virtuel, as simmers therein who have potentially moved on entirely from FS2004/FSX may be more than willing to sell you their legitimately licensed copy / transfer their license

said request is nigh futile in the FS2004 forums because most who have purchased FranceVFR's BretagneVFR for FS2004 would prefer to hold on to theirs and would certainly not be too keen on parting with the same!

cheers!

 

[leuen]

And those who invested a lot of efforts, time and struggles should share for free their creations almost without any appreciations and thanks! A curious sim world.

Bernard

 

[wolfebee89]

And those who invested a lot of efforts, time and struggles should share for free their creations almost without any appreciations and thanks! A curious sim world.

Bernard

indeed but copyrights, especially payware must be respected and abided by, and especially in the context of FranceVFR's efforts who have set standards and benchmarks for Photographic VFR scenery nigh decades ago that until FS2020/2024, very few could meet, payware or freeware.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/bretagne/vue-den-haut-une-bretagne-virtuelle-tres-reelle-570393

Moreover, understand that the FranceVFR photo scenery standards with full autogen have always commanded a premium that is required to be paid to indulge in said scenery visual 'feast', and for which r/l sacrifices perhaps may have to be made to save up for the requisite purchase

@michaelvader feel free to also post at the FranceVFR forums https://www.vfrnetwork.com/forums/ --> perhaps a former FS2004 sim enthusiast maybe able to sell or 'gift' you their licensed copy

appreciate the understanding!

IIRC the only freeware by FranceVFR that I am aware of is the one released in conjunction with Gregory Putz https://library.avsim.net/extsearch...uthor]=France+VFR&extended_search[category]=0

cheers!

 

[wolfebee89]

Knowing well Southern Brittany by sailing there a lot of years some details look not to be right, especially when I look to the islands of Belle Ile and Groix.
The meshs does not to match reality.

specifically addressing that, if not already resolved, perhaps keep a look out for this https://www.momox-shop.fr/profisoft...tanny-islands-computerspiel-M0B0002EHDRW.html if not also, consider requesting Laurent Dupouey for the same, as it is rather antiquated even by FranceVFR Bretagne VFR standards, and he may yet oblige...

 

[michaelvader]

Hi Wolfebee,
looking at the website you did indicate me it says on the site that this soft is no longer avaible.
But Nevertheless I got from some one a copy that I searched. I was very touched by that as I never thought that.
Now I enjoy to fly over "my homeland Brittany" with one of Nigel Richards Avros A real pleasure

Kenavo

Michael

 

[scotty]

But Nevertheless I got from some one a copy that I searched.

Why pay for something that others have paid for—for good reason?
Besides, it’s not legal—though, what does copyright even mean, anyway?
Indeed, a curious sim world.

 

[lucb]

Why pay for something that others have paid for—for good reason?
Besides, it’s not legal—though, what does copyright even mean, anyway?
Indeed, a curious sim world.

I can imagine a lot of good reasons like FS9 no more supported by Microsoft and any add on builders or because FS9 is a good way to have a quiet good way to have a good flight simulator running on cheap pc for people having few money or not wanted to spend lot of money on that
You’re right: it’s not legal. BUT at the same time it’s not even logical to still have to respect that licensing for product no more sold or supported. That’s why some have put their products on freeware.
I agree with you and others that we should point out what is legal, but please stop making value judgements about people’s motives, especially when it comes to products this old.
Finally I have no problem about people having for free things that I have bought 20 years ago.

 

[Airbasil]

• BUT at the same time it’s not even logical to still have to respect that licensing for product no more sold or supported. That’s why some have put their products on freeware.
• I agree with you and others that we should point out what is legal, but please stop making value judgements about people’s motives, especially when it comes to products this old.
• Finally I have no problem about people having for free things that I have bought 20 years ago.

Absolutely agree with all of these three points. Specially with the second point..

Thanks for pointing them out..

In the End: FS9 is yet 22 Years old and no more supported by Microsoft and / or most people and developers anyways.. and so unfortunately, its community is declining year by year..

And nope, people won't push us who remain, sticking with FS9 to move on and buy all these products again which we once bought for a lot of money back then (22 Years ago...) just to have a nice P3D or FS2020 or 24 today....

So let us (who've meanwhile become a small family) just enjoy our FS9 without questioning and or being rude and jealous of / to each others!

Quite Honestly: In our small but remaining community, and in this modern day and age, we shall rather considder "sharing as caring"... (better than fighting each others over legal policies and what not!)

Btw. Scotty:
On the FS2004.Team Website there’s a sharing corner called: “Project Share Space" as well, where for example converted payware is being shared for free as well… (and as i know, from pictures you’ve posted on the screenshots thread in here, you are one of the users of these converted paywares, shared for free in the Project share space on FS2004.Team Website - oops... ertappt dumm gelaufen, was?...).

So no better behavior over there neither… - That’s quite questionable as well… to be honest! Buuut… So what???

so: STFU and let’s just not get into these discussions anymore… allright?

 

[scotty]

Btw. Scotty:
On the FS2004.Team Website there’s a sharing corner called: “Project Share Space" as well, where for example converted payware is being shared for free as well… (and as i know, from pictures you’ve posted on the screenshots thread in here, you are one of the users of these converted paywares) - so no better behavior over there neither…

You won’t see me stoop to your level.
I could say a lot about your level, but since—as I’ve already mentioned—I have no intention of descending to it, that’s it for me.

 

[leuen]

We should be more than luckly, that things just still work. And we still pay a lot for accounts, memberships and storage facilities in order to keep the old lady running. What about time and effort spent by many people during all those years, without getting the smallest financial contribution? And the hardest, often without any appreciations, thanks or encouragement. As if everything were a matter of course and free of charge. Those people share their creations because of their enthusiasm and as a well minded contribution to the community. Haven't they brought enough here and at other sites like what f.i. Michael did for you? And what about addons bought on Ebay? Will the paid money go back to Aerosoft or other distributors? It may be poor advice in an aviation context, but let’s keep our feet on the ground.

Bernard

 

[Airbasil]

You won’t see me stoop to your level.
I could say a lot about your level, but since—as I’ve already mentioned—I have no intention of descending to it, that’s it for me.

Sounds like a personal Problem to me… - you might better consider consulting a psychiatrist to help you on that topic!

Good Luck!

We should be more than luckly, that things just still work.

But let’s keep our feet on the ground.

Indeed…