Hawk T2 Released 6/15 (Freeware) (But Two Payware Planes Required)

Looks great but I'm not going to buy 70+ euro's worth of add-ons to fly one free aircraft.. Unless someone can add the Asobo F-18 cockpit and sounds to it
 
Hawk dillitant here. So what's all the fuzz about this freeware Hawk version while you need both the payware versions to get the VC and sound ? But more importantly: what exactly is the difference between the Hawk T-1 and Hawk T-2 ?.......

Thanks !
 
The main difference is about 30 years. The T.Mk.2 is the modern version of the classic Hawk T.Mk.1(a), with a glass cockpit, several aerodynamic improvements and a more powerful engine. Wikipedia is your friend!

Priller
 
The differences between the two three versions are readily accessible everywhere - in essence the T.2 (the subject of this project) being the glass cockpit fast jet evolution to prepare RAF pilots for the glass cockpit Tornado and F-35 aircraft they'll be flying operationally. It's progenitor - the T.1 and T.1a entered service in the very late 70s/early 80s as the RAF's fast jet trainer to replace the Folland Gnat and eventually the Hawker Hunter. This version is the subject of the JF Hawk T1 payware model. McDonnel Douglas got interested in it in the 80s and developed their own version to replace the A-4 Skyhawk and T-2 Buckeye that became the T-45, fully carrier capable trainer. That version is the subject of IFE's T-45 payware model.

I think the narrative that one needs to buy two payware models to get a freeware mod misses the point. People who really like the Hawk platform in the sim likely have one and/or the other. The author worked with the great Rick Piper and Dave Garwood to bring this amazing but not fully finished FSX project to a more readily complete state for MSFS. It's a stunning model in its own right, and the devs chose, as a faster way to get it into the hands of sim pilots to temporarily slave it to the T-45 cockpit. No, the latter's glass cockpit is not the same as the T.2s, but it's a decent stand-in until a more permanent solution is found.

So yes, it's a freeware gift, and for those who have one or both of the payware Hawks, a true boon. The alternative would have been no T.2 for anyone until/if a fully bespoke cockpit could be modelled - easily the most complex part of FS addon development, particularly where glass cockpits are concerned. So it's a half full glass vs half empty paradigm, and not a hard one to grasp, in my view. For my part, I love the Hawk, but being careful with funds these days, sprung only for the T-45 as my first MSFS payware investment due to my interests in naval aviation. I've been tempted by the T.1, but am holding off for now.

Fortuitous for anyone who also only bought the T-45, you're in luck, because you don't need the Hawk T.1a if you're happy to use the T-45's sounds. For those of us familiar with FSX-era aircraft.cfg edits, it's literally seconds of work to do to get yourself sorted. I'm away for the day but will post the edits tonight on how to do that for those unfamiliar.
 
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Priller said:
The main difference is about 30 years. The T.Mk.2 is the modern version of the classic Hawk T.Mk.1(a), with a glass cockpit, several aerodynamic improvements and a more powerful engine. Wikipedia is your friend!

Priller
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I thought you was my friend too.. Thanks Jan ;-)
 
delta_lima said:
The differences between the two three versions are readily accessible everywhere -. . . . . . .
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Sure, but not in a comprehensive but still compact report with a touch of flightsim on the side. Just what i was looking for. Thanks very much, DL ! :encouragement:
 
collensr said:
I dont have the JF T1 so agreed - if anyone has any update on aliasing sounds please post here
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In the Aircraft.cfg files for the Hawk and 127 versions, search for
\JF_Hawk_T1\

and replace that with
\indiafoxtecho-t45c\
 
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delta_lima said:
The differences between the two three versions are readily accessible everywhere - in essence the T.2 (the subject of this project) being the glass cockpit fast jet evolution to prepare RAF pilots for the glass cockpit Tornado and F-35 aircraft they'll be flying operationally. It's progenitor - the T.1 and T.1a entered service in the very late 70s/early 80s as the RAF's fast jet trainer to replace the Folland Gnat and eventually the Hawker Hunter. This version is the subject of the JF Hawk T1 payware model. McDonnel Douglas got interested in it in the 80s and developed their own version to replace the A-4 Skyhawk and T-2 Buckeye that became the T-45, fully carrier capable trainer. That version is the subject of IFE's T-45 payware model.

I think the narrative that one needs to buy two payware models to get a freeware mod misses the point. People who really like the Hawk platform in the sim likely have one and/or the other. The author worked with the great Rick Piper and Dave Garwood to bring this amazing but not fully finished FSX project to a more readily complete state for MSFS. It's a stunning model in its own right, and the devs chose, as a faster way to get it into the hands of sim pilots to temporarily slave it to the T-45 cockpit. No, the latter's glass cockpit is not the same as the T.2s, but it's a decent stand-in until a more permanent solution is found.

So yes, it's a freeware gift, and for those who have one or both of the payware Hawks, a true boon. The alternative would have been no T.2 for anyone until/if a fully bespoke cockpit could be modelled - easily the most complex part of FS addon development, particularly where glass cockpits are concerned. So it's a half full glass vs half empty paradigm, and not a hard one to grasp, in my view. For my part, I love the Hawk, but being careful with funds these days, sprung only for the T-45 as my first MSFS payware investment due to my interests in naval aviation. I've been tempted by the T.1, but am holding off for now.

Fortuitous for anyone who also only bought the T-45, you're in luck, because you don't need the Hawk T.1a if you're happy to use the T-45's sounds. For those of us familiar with FSX-era aircraft.cfg edits, it's literally seconds of work to do to get yourself sorted. I'm away for the day but will post the edits tonight on how to do that for those unfamiliar.
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Just curious how you get the T-45 sounds incorporated in this?
 
DaveKDEN said:
Just curious how you get the T-45 sounds incorporated in this?
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From DennyA's post just above your question. Go to the aircraft.cfg files in your "nattani-bae-hawk-127" and "nattani-bae-hawk-t2" folders. Open it and replace the sound references from the JF Hawk to the indiafoxtecho_t45c.

Here's the entry on mine for the first T2 listing - you have to do it for each [FLightsim.xx] entry:

[FLTSIM.0]
Title="RAF HAWK T2 4SQN ZK015"
Model=""
Panel="\..\..\IndiaFoxtEcho_T45C\panel\"
Sound="\..\..\IndiaFoxtEcho_T45C\sound\"
Texture="ZK015"
KB_Checklists=""
KB_Reference=""
description=""
wip_indicator=2
ui_manufacturer="BAE"
ui_type="Hawk T2"
ui_variation="RAF 4SQN"
ui_typerole="Twin Engine Jet"
ui_createdby="Rick Piper & Nattani"
ui_thumbnailfile=""
ui_certified_ceiling=-1
ui_max_range=-1
ui_autonomy=-1
ui_fuel_burn_rate= 85.199997
atc_id=""
icao_airline=""
atc_id_enable=1
atc_airline="HAWK"
atc_flight_number="zk010"
atc_heavy=0
atc_id_color="0x00000000"
atc_id_font=""
isAirTraffic=0
isUserSelectable=1
isFlyable=1
Effects=""
atc_parking_types=""
atc_parking_codes=""
soundai = "\..\..\JF_Hawk_T1\soundai\"
short_description = ""
canBeUsedByAITraffic = 1
 
What an awesome model! As a fan of RCAF aircraft, it's nice to have a proper Hawk 127 as the T-45's short nose just didn't look right with the otherwise excellent repaints I found for Dino's T-45C.

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