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Heinkels emerge from the paint shop

As we get closer to a release of the Heinkel we're needing to test the geo-locking capabilities of our site regarding the "accurate" tail insignias. We have tested internally however we need to test if from a real world point of view. If you are in Germany please go to the following website and contact us at help@aeroplaneheaven.com if you can see it, with your browser settings and any other pertinent information. If you cant and only see a white page then jobsagoodun.





www.aeroplaneheaven.com/german/




Please don't contact us if you are using some methods that can defeat geo-locking. We know they exist and there is nothing we can do about those ! :biggrin-new:

Don't worry the download links and images do not yet have the "accurate" tail insignias.
 
pilto von pilto said:
As we get closer to a release of the Heinkel we're needing to test the geo-locking capabilities of our site regarding the "accurate" tail insignias. We have tested internally however we need to test if from a real world point of view. If you are in Germany please go to the following website and contact us at help@aeroplaneheaven.com if you can see it, with your browser settings and any other pertinent information. If you cant and only see a white page then jobsagoodun.





www.aeroplaneheaven.com/german/




Please don't contact us if you are using some methods that can defeat geo-locking. We know they exist and there is nothing we can do about those ! :biggrin-new:

Don't worry the download links and images do not yet have the "accurate" tail insignias.
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I can see- from Austria - and you have to add Austria to that list- same law like Germany

Roland
 
eddie said:
Bazzar, what was the reason the one version has such large insignia's along with the regular sized ones on the wings?
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I have to look to an old book- Mr.Galland- but I think to remember these large ones come off a big military manouver ahead of Poland Invasion.

Best regards

Roland
 
pilto von pilto said:
As we get closer to a release of the Heinkel we're needing to test the geo-locking capabilities of our site regarding the "accurate" tail insignias. We have tested internally however we need to test if from a real world point of view. If you are in Germany please go to the following website and contact us at help@aeroplaneheaven.com if you can see it, with your browser settings and any other pertinent information. If you cant and only see a white page then jobsagoodun.





www.aeroplaneheaven.com/german/




Please don't contact us if you are using some methods that can defeat geo-locking. We know they exist and there is nothing we can do about those ! :biggrin-new:

Don't worry the download links and images do not yet have the "accurate" tail insignias.
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FYI, the site loads just fine for me.

How do you determine the geographic region; by IP or language settings?
If the latter, my English language Windows installation probably fools the check process.
 
Bjoern said:
FYI, the site loads just fine for me.

How do you determine the geographic region; by IP or language settings?
If the latter, my English language Windows installation probably fools the check process.
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It must be using IP address. I did a test where I used a program called CURL to read from pilto's link from my office in SF and it read it fine, I tried again from a server I have access to that is located in Germany and the page was blocked.
 
blanston12 said:
It must be using IP address. I did a test where I used a program called CURL to read from pilto's link from my office in SF and it read it fine, I tried again from a server I have access to that is located in Germany and the page was blocked.
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Yes they are IP ranges. Annoyingly just ipv4 so I got to write it all out again for IPv6 which might be why bjoern is seeing it when he shouldnt if he's coming from an isp that has switched to IPV6 or whatever happens. I only use curl for weather updates on my desktop. Need to do more tutorials for curl.

thunder100 : thanks for the heads up on austria will add them in the next few days.
 
pilto von pilto said:
Yes they are IP ranges. Annoyingly just ipv4 so I got to write it all out again for IPv6 which might be why bjoern is seeing it when he shouldnt if he's coming from an isp that has switched to IPV6 or whatever happens.
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Can't comment on that, since it's not my home network. I assume that it's IPv6 though.
 
YoYo said:
It's ok for me (we can use symbols for historical reasons ect but not for popularization of this systems).



I see the page but cant download (perhaps no files yet). Poland.
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To all,
I have asked the internet which countries ban the swastika and any other types of totalitarian symbols ( apparently the iron cross itself can be considered offensive )
So the following countries are now banned from this site Edit : I have also added the ipv6 for the following countries. ( I cant test IPV6 as I live in australia where the internet is run by smoke signals and the occasional goat delivery )

Brazil , poland , Austria and Germany, Ukraine and Russia.

Possible countries :

Apparently in Hungary it is a criminal misdemeanour to publicly display "totalitarian symbols", including the swastika, the SS insignia and the Arrow Cross, punishable by fine. Display for academic, educational, artistic or journalistic reasons is allowed. So we think it might be ok for hungarians.

In France, it is illegal to display Nazi flags, uniforms and insignia in public, unless for the purpose of a historical film, show, filmmaking or spectacle. and again I think the french will be ok here as well.

Canada and cyprus seem to ban them in public places so the thinking there is that this is a download for a private individual who wont be flying our aircraft in public.

For everyone else. If the page is loading slowly it is because of the huge iprange list that we have had to generate to ban these countries.

Gee I wonder why people dont do more luftwaffe subjects. :banghead:
 
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You'd get in trouble for flying a National Socialist flag or anything else that could be deemed "likely to cause offense" here in Blighty too... But this would come under the heading of historical and/or educational, so in that context it's fine.

However... There was a major scuffle here a while ago between a council and a Hindu temple. :banghead:

Ian P.
 
Hmmm, now I dont see this page, what happens?
As I wrote before, for Poland is ok, You can use historical markings.

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Art. 256.
(...)
§ 3. Nie popełnia przestępstwa sprawca czynu zabronionego określonego w § 2, je-
żeli dopuścił się tego czynu w ramach działalności artystycznej, edukacyjnej,
kolekcjonerskiej lub naukowej.
(...)
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Traslation by Google:

Article 256(...)
§ 3. The perpetrator of a prohibited act specified in § 2 does not commit a crime, if
that he committed this act as part of artistic and educational activities,
collectable or scientific.
(...)
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Please back this page.
 
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Curious if history books are going to be banned as well.

Wellllllll….maybe it's time to re-define the branding of FSX and Prepar3D as educational tools. It's a plausible concept, in that we are primarily interested in learning aircraft and are prohibited from having fun to remain in honor of the EULA.

That way it would not be hateful to study history by re-enacting historically correct simulations and learn from our mistakes.


Sorry....IMO
 
BTW...

I particularly like this model, so out of respect for the developer and all of the Bravo Sierra that they are compelled to negotiate, I plan on buying it twice, just to help cover the costs.


Call me crazy, but that's just how I roll. :redfire:
 
<quote>You'd get in trouble for flying a National Socialist flag or anything else that could be deemed "likely to cause offense" here in Blighty too...</quote>
Let's face it, you can get in trouble for flying a Union Flag in Blighty these days, and as for a Cross of St George . . .
 
pilto von pilto said:
Gee I wonder why people dont do more luftwaffe subjects. :banghead:
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For non-German speaking devs: Language barrier, probably.


P.S: Aeroplaneheaven.com/german still works for me, both on Firefox and Edge.

And why not let retailers handle it?
Ship the bird without accurate markings and have them provide a patch for those with billing addresses from non-"problematic" countries.
 
As posted previously - I'm in favor of historically accurate markings.

Because I'm a strong supporter of realism, I won't be flying anything in Luftwaffe markings since had I been there at the time, I wouldn't have been permitted to do that.

Looking forward to some screenshots of the captured RAF aircraft, since that's one I could have flown.
 
Unfortunately, the only references we have of the captured Heinkel show it being an "H" . So regrettably we are not providing that scheme.There will be a full paintkit with the package so people can, if they wish, paint any livery of course.:engel016:
 
Disappointed to hear that, Baz - I think in this case some license might have been in order. Speaking personally, I won't be buying - but best of luck with your launch.
 
Alan_A said:
As posted previously - I'm in favor of historically accurate markings.

Because I'm a strong supporter of realism, I won't be flying anything in Luftwaffe markings since had I been there at the time, I wouldn't have been permitted to do that.

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Alan_A said:
Disappointed to hear that, Baz - I think in this case some license might have been in order. Speaking personally, I won't be buying - but best of luck with your launch.
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ummmm :dizzy: The 2 posts are contradictory.


Yoyo: "In Poland, public display of Nazi symbols, including the Nazi swastika, is a criminal offence punishable by up to eight years in jail. " just quoting one of the sites we went through. Possibly could get rid of the ban on poland but the 119580 line .htaccess file would be a bear to find just the polish ones. But see below.


Bjoern : some stores dont have that functionality. and we're selling it on our site so we needed ( see below on our newer fix idea ) to have a geo-locked area. I can only ask if you emptied your cache before trying again. We tried to ban ::FFFF:x.x.x.x based IP ranges but we're on a shared server and are unable to modify a .conf to allow that.

However we have a newer fix idea taken from our competitors!

After finding out what other people have done we're thinking of making the fantasy tail insignias the default installation... and have installers for the swastikas in the texture folder. These installers will have a a strongly worded introduction with a " I dont agree with this " button that closes the installation. Obviously there will be an installer if you so wish to go back. This puts the responsibility completely on the shoulders of the people who will install the insignias.

Oh and the reason devs dont do luftwaffe projects... all of this :biggrin-new: It took over an hour and a half to find which countries it was banned in set up the ipranges , switch out proxies and VPN's.. I could have been playing xbox! :biggrin-new:
 
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