Seahawk72s
SOH-CM-2023
Has anyone converted over a legacy aircraft and with what success..?
Legacy Aircraft
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centuryseries
SOH-CM-2023
Tried last night, but failed, even with msfs style configs.
Unless this is impossible, this flightsim will not enter my rig
You don't know what you're missing, I mean, you REALLY don't know.
Dimus
SOH-CM-2024
You don't know what you're missing, I mean, you REALLY don't know.
I'll second that!
I am also disappointed by the complexity of converting ore even remaking my sceneries for the new sim but I will learn, in time...
For the moment I am just enjoying simply flying over the world, and I don't mean just sightseeing, real GA flying with all the realism and fantastic flight dynamics.
True, nothing military or fast jet yet but it will come for sure.
I will thrid that! Missing all of my wonderful FSX classic biplanes, but the GA experience in world expoloration is very good. Not a fan of the ICON, MS needed a Cessna float at least. This launch is less than a week old however. The future looks very bright indeed.
Bomber_12th
SOH-CM-2023
I've been using this sim since early May, daily, and I'm still not feeling like needing any extra planes or scenery. I've been really having a great experience with the default/stock aircraft (unlike any we've seen in a flight sim out of the box), and of course the world and weather are absolutely stunning. For me to be interested in adding a new aircraft to the sim it is going to have to be at least on par with the default aircraft (visually, sound-wise, and flight dynamics), and that is no easy task. The few payware P3D straight port-overs I've seen in some previews look terrible in this sim compared to the default aircraft (easy to see the lower polygon count of the FSX/P3D models and the flat/lifeless textures). The developers doing it right have or are in the process of completely rebuilding their product aircraft from the ground-up to make use of the increased modeled detail (higher polygon counts) now supported and the PBR materials.
I found the same to be true with XPlane. Had great hopes of converting all my scenery to work in XP and found it was impossible and I was looking at completely rebuilding everything. . .this appears to be a similar case so my scenery building will stop with FSX/P3D. . ."If" my current system allows me to enjoy this new Sim at a level (standard version) that looks better than my current FSX/P3D world. If I have to dumb down 2020 to fly then it's a no brainer where I'll stay.
mike_cyul
SOH-CM-2023
Completely agree with Bomber_12th here.
From what I can tell, polygon limits have increased somewhat (the MSFS 747 has something like 500,000 polygons, and the DA62 twin interior model file summary alone has 360,000 (although in the viewport it says 634,00 triangles!)- the FR B-24 Liberator maxed out at approx. 450,000), and as John says, mastering the new materials and sound production will be essential. The SDK is far from complete right now, however.
From what I can tell, polygon limits have increased somewhat (the MSFS 747 has something like 500,000 polygons, and the DA62 twin interior model file summary alone has 360,000 (although in the viewport it says 634,00 triangles!)- the FR B-24 Liberator maxed out at approx. 450,000), and as John says, mastering the new materials and sound production will be essential. The SDK is far from complete right now, however.
Manschy
SOH-CM-2023
I do understand all your arguments very well. Every videos I watch are simply amazing and yes, if other planes or sceneries than the MSFS default aircraft are indifferent to you, you might be in seventh heaven (hihi, what a pun 
).
But let me explain. I had been a big fan of the Harrier and in 2009, my dreams come true to find it in FS2004. Also in FSX and P3Dv4. I started to build RAF Gutersloh for FS2004 and had a lot of fun with all other Royal Air Force aircraft since then. Flightsim means bringing back all those days, the memories and - especially - gives me the opportunity to create own air bases and abandon airfields of those days. So all these options are gone abruptly.
But my perfect sim means to get all in one - not yet and at same time, but sometimes.
Being not a friend of MSFS is not the sims mistake, is mine. I also don't like smartphones very much because I don't catch the real point of it. So much stuff inside, but so much more stuff I don't need. Oh my god, you can watch flims with it - but hey, I do prefere watching films in HD on my big TV screen at home! Not everything that is new and - admittedly - awesome is useful to me, same with MSFS.
But maybe in 2 or 3 years it will catch my interest, and I will hark back to it when hopefully many of those aircraft or sceneries will find their way into MSFS - and when I will understand the SDK to get my own modest sceneries into it (still sooo damn tempering with Brüggen...)
My sims world is having all aircraft inside I am grow up with and most of the sceneries they can fly into - but even abandoned air bases are simply hidden in MSFS! So just because there are no military options inside it currently, I will have to wait for....patiently.
Hope this can explain my current reluctance, for now, but nor forever certainly...
).But let me explain. I had been a big fan of the Harrier and in 2009, my dreams come true to find it in FS2004. Also in FSX and P3Dv4. I started to build RAF Gutersloh for FS2004 and had a lot of fun with all other Royal Air Force aircraft since then. Flightsim means bringing back all those days, the memories and - especially - gives me the opportunity to create own air bases and abandon airfields of those days. So all these options are gone abruptly.
But my perfect sim means to get all in one - not yet and at same time, but sometimes.
Being not a friend of MSFS is not the sims mistake, is mine. I also don't like smartphones very much because I don't catch the real point of it. So much stuff inside, but so much more stuff I don't need. Oh my god, you can watch flims with it - but hey, I do prefere watching films in HD on my big TV screen at home! Not everything that is new and - admittedly - awesome is useful to me, same with MSFS.
But maybe in 2 or 3 years it will catch my interest, and I will hark back to it when hopefully many of those aircraft or sceneries will find their way into MSFS - and when I will understand the SDK to get my own modest sceneries into it (still sooo damn tempering with Brüggen...)
My sims world is having all aircraft inside I am grow up with and most of the sceneries they can fly into - but even abandoned air bases are simply hidden in MSFS! So just because there are no military options inside it currently, I will have to wait for....patiently.
Hope this can explain my current reluctance, for now, but nor forever certainly...
Seahawk72s
SOH-CM-2023
Update
From the August 20th Development update. for what its worth.
"For complex aircraft, WebAssembly is still undergoing active development. We are working on some much-needed features and providing code to help port existing C++ aircraft."
From the August 20th Development update. for what its worth.
"For complex aircraft, WebAssembly is still undergoing active development. We are working on some much-needed features and providing code to help port existing C++ aircraft."
DennyA
SOH-CM-2023
I fully get that FSX/P3D planes are not going to look as good or fly as well in MSFS.
At the same time, there are hundreds of planes available for those sims that will likely not be created for MSFS for years, if ever. I'd rather fly around MSFS Hawaii in Piglet's ported FS9 Kingfisher for a couple of years than have no Kingfisher at all. Ditto niche planes like the X-24, T-34, C-141, etc.
I hope someone creates a utility that will allow a portover of FSX/P3D planes that have XML gauges. I don't want to see these sold as payware, or billed as native MSFS planes as often happens with sloppy transfers of FS9 planes to FSX on certain download sites. But it'd be nice to have the option if you have a favorite niche plane you love.
Particularly given how much work it's going to take to make top-quality MSFS planes.
The stuff included in the box with MSFS is amazing and awesome But as a fan of 40-60's aircraft, realistically, it's going to be a long time if ever before we see a wide selection of those, it'd be nice to have a "stopgap" option.
At the same time, there are hundreds of planes available for those sims that will likely not be created for MSFS for years, if ever. I'd rather fly around MSFS Hawaii in Piglet's ported FS9 Kingfisher for a couple of years than have no Kingfisher at all. Ditto niche planes like the X-24, T-34, C-141, etc.
I hope someone creates a utility that will allow a portover of FSX/P3D planes that have XML gauges. I don't want to see these sold as payware, or billed as native MSFS planes as often happens with sloppy transfers of FS9 planes to FSX on certain download sites. But it'd be nice to have the option if you have a favorite niche plane you love.
Particularly given how much work it's going to take to make top-quality MSFS planes.
The stuff included in the box with MSFS is amazing and awesome But as a fan of 40-60's aircraft, realistically, it's going to be a long time if ever before we see a wide selection of those, it'd be nice to have a "stopgap" option.
Manschy
SOH-CM-2023
+1 My intention...but cold war airplanes...Stopgap would be enough to me to explore the new world with.
jmig
SOH-CM-2024
I fully agree. Since I fly inside the cockpit, shiny aircraft skins and reflections aren't as important to me. I am more interested in flight dynamics and accurate systems that allow me to do most of the functions found in the real airplane. I do not believe that is currently attainable in the MSFS default aircraft.
The ones I have flown, most notable the Bonanza have horrible flight dynamics. The only time I have seen 170 kts is when I look away and the airplane heads straight down to the ground. I have yet to get one of these aircraft trimmed correctly. (which could be me) I am still trying to get my controllers to work correctly with the program.
If someone can get a good P3D aircraft working correctly in the sim, I will try it. Maybe afterwards I won't like the missing eye-candy, we will see however, I imagine.
The point is, I see MSFS default as shinny new toys. They are pretty to look at and the simple ones nice to use sight-seeing. They are a good harbinger of what is to come. However, I don't think they are yet mature.
jmig
SOH-CM-2024
I learned to fly in a C-152 back in 1965. I have several hundred hours in the C-172/182 series. I haven't tried them in MSFS. From reading on the MSFS site it seems the Cesnna's, with possible exception of the 208, are accurate.
The Bonanza is one of the aircraft many people are deriding. When ever I have flown it, It seems to stay between 125-135 kts and is always searching for the correct altitude. Every time it tries to climb on the autopilot, it slows down to the point the nose drops to try and regain airspeed. I have never flown a Bonanza (above my pocketbook) in RL but I KNOW it goes faster than 130kt average. It will also climb higher than 3500 feet.
FlyingsCool
SOH-CM-2019
I haven't seen anyone discuss turbulence? Might this be the issue with the hunting?
I just installed it last night, so it will be quite some time before I get it set up to my liking I imagine, but, first impression flying around New England from Southern NH to KACK in the Cirrus, the turbulence model is blown way out of proportion. I had to go in and turn it off (which you can't, you can only turn it way down). I've got a couple hundred hours flying in this region, and I had real weather turned on and the air was really smooth last night from ground level anyway (2 knot wind late at night), and my plane was being tossed all over the place. With turbulence like that it would be impossible to trim the plane no matter how hard you tried for level flight. Turning the turbulence down helped, but, I've never experienced turbulence like that (I don't tend to fly in thunderstorm weather, haha). Bumps when you fly under a cloud or over a hot highway, bumpy ride, but not such that the plane is porpoising +/-200 ft at a time each second (not a controller thing).
Turning on the Altitude Hold with the autopilot smoothed the flight right out, but the plane had this slight roll/lean to the left that I couldn't get out. Of course, I'm not much of an autopilot guy, and I have no real understanding of the details of using it, so that could be my issue.
Anyway, I'm going to investigate this weather thing, see what I can do about it. Anyone else experiencing this? Any tips on setting weather?
Otherwise I'm super happy with it. Everything looks REALLY close to what it's like to fly around my area. Except for the town hall in the center, my neighborhood looks really close to what it is, including my house and the dirt parking lot next door. I mean, my house doesn't look at all like my house in detail, but all the homes, close enough. Pretty awesome. And just flying around Mt. Monadnock (too much trees on top, but, close enough), landing and taking off from KAFN Silver Lake (yep, exactly like I remember it)(well, a bit too busy, haha, but it's just fun). The Bourne and Sagamore bridges need to be replaced, half of KASH looks ok, the other half, eh; but, as was said above, wow, I don't need to think about the scenery, I hopped in, and I could concentrate on flying and the airplane, like, really flying. So cool, I can see I'm going to spend a lot of time here.
I just installed it last night, so it will be quite some time before I get it set up to my liking I imagine, but, first impression flying around New England from Southern NH to KACK in the Cirrus, the turbulence model is blown way out of proportion. I had to go in and turn it off (which you can't, you can only turn it way down). I've got a couple hundred hours flying in this region, and I had real weather turned on and the air was really smooth last night from ground level anyway (2 knot wind late at night), and my plane was being tossed all over the place. With turbulence like that it would be impossible to trim the plane no matter how hard you tried for level flight. Turning the turbulence down helped, but, I've never experienced turbulence like that (I don't tend to fly in thunderstorm weather, haha). Bumps when you fly under a cloud or over a hot highway, bumpy ride, but not such that the plane is porpoising +/-200 ft at a time each second (not a controller thing).
Turning on the Altitude Hold with the autopilot smoothed the flight right out, but the plane had this slight roll/lean to the left that I couldn't get out. Of course, I'm not much of an autopilot guy, and I have no real understanding of the details of using it, so that could be my issue.
Anyway, I'm going to investigate this weather thing, see what I can do about it. Anyone else experiencing this? Any tips on setting weather?
Otherwise I'm super happy with it. Everything looks REALLY close to what it's like to fly around my area. Except for the town hall in the center, my neighborhood looks really close to what it is, including my house and the dirt parking lot next door. I mean, my house doesn't look at all like my house in detail, but all the homes, close enough. Pretty awesome. And just flying around Mt. Monadnock (too much trees on top, but, close enough), landing and taking off from KAFN Silver Lake (yep, exactly like I remember it)(well, a bit too busy, haha, but it's just fun). The Bourne and Sagamore bridges need to be replaced, half of KASH looks ok, the other half, eh; but, as was said above, wow, I don't need to think about the scenery, I hopped in, and I could concentrate on flying and the airplane, like, really flying. So cool, I can see I'm going to spend a lot of time here.
Dimus
SOH-CM-2024
Agreed about the turbulence effect. The basis imho is good. I was able to identify areas where turbulence was expected from thermals like when crossing over a shore or near ridges. I was happily surprised to see this. the intensity however may be a bit too much. If there is a slider for it I will try it out.