Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 Trailer

I think the mystery as to why you buy points not products on the Marketplace might have been solved...

I love conjecture as much as the next feller - but to really know what is going on with this update/addon/expansion/sequel thing, we are going to have to wait
until Jorg and co. spell it out. Soup to Nuts
 
Not sure whats with all the negativity. They said they made a 10yr commitment to Flight Sim. I sure as heck didnt expect to have the title MSFS2020 in the year 2030. Im looking at this as a positive move forward until I hear officially otherwise. Why would they mess up everything they've built over the last 3 years? This just looks like loads more fun to me.
 
I am hoping that the PC system specs required to run this "new" sim will not have changed much since msfs 2020, or at least not much. I know I will have to replace my PC eventually, but am not ready to do that yet. NC
 
Matt Booty, head of Microsoft Studios, heavily implies this is an update to the existing platform in an interview with Jeff Grubb of Giant Bomb:

Jeff Grubb: "Flight Simulator 2024, this is a new release, right?"

Matt Booty: "Yeah, so the team felt, there was enough improvement in what we are doing with graphics, it doesn't come through, sometimes I say to them, you guys are being a little subtle, and they assume that everybody is an airplane nerd. I don't know if you noticed, there's a tornado in that trailer. It's not canned, it happens because we're simulating weather. So, their advances in graphics in terms of how they're simulating the atmosphere and the flight dynamics, they felt it was enough of a leap forward to call it 2024, that'll be the new baseline going forward."

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpotlessEasyJellyfishDxAbomb-cMgZARe69aHYVGHO
 
Microsoft has just posted this FAQ page about FS2024, clearly in direct response to the most pressing questions/concerns expressed by the community thus-far: https://www.flightsimulator.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024-faq/?fbclid=IwAR1f-br1bZJjF9_kqb6a7rdHf825xfqvFnLJ-9Vv-9dD9VHQF-xI_fw9jcU


AK416, it is neat to hear that the tornadoes will actually be weather-implemented in the sim, and not just added for a staged mission. In the scene in the trailer showing the crop spraying, I'm also hoping too that the detail shown in the field is indicative of what farmer's fields will now look like, all over, when close to the ground, and not just in a hand-crafted scenery. The trees/plant life really look stunning in the previews, and once again, my thoughts turn to whether or not we'll see that all over the world in this new version, or just in certain spots. The new Grand Canyon scenery looks stunning.
 
Exactly as I expected was the case. Will gladly pay another $70 if they deliver what they promised in this trailer. Shame the announcement was overshadowed by poor communication, there is a lot to be excited about here.
 
ak416 said:
Exactly as I expected was the case. Will gladly pay another $70 if they deliver what they promised in this trailer. Shame the announcement was overshadowed by poor communication, there is a lot to be excited about here.
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Hmmm... the only thing i'd be REALLY interested in is if they finally and ultimately make Instant Replay and FLY-BY View available. If not i think that would be utterly ashame. I really don't need new graphics or new missions (never flew one anyway).

No indication whatsoever about Instant Replay nore Fly-By view, not in the video's, not in the announcements neither. Will surely be interesting to see if they *dare* to release this so called *new* MSFS2024 version WITHOUT Instant Replay and Fly-By view. When that happens we deffinately know we can't take them serious anymore. :teapot:
 
At first I thought it was a belated April Fool's joke - but no - pure commerce - a new money printing machine
- another 100,000 or more copies for $100 each - not bad

Dieter
 
I tend agree that there is an overly negative reaction across the Community to what was announced yesterday.

Before passing judgement I think we should give Microsoft/Asobo time to explain the details and the path to 2024 after all they have done a huge amount to reinvigorate this hobby over the past 3 years.

Personally I'm not sure why they haven't chosen to clarify the 2020 > 2024 add-on compatibility issue at this stage as that is really the core concern for players and Developers alike.

Hitherto the Microsoft / Asobo team have communicated much more regularly and expansively with their audience over the past 3 years than was ever the case with Flight Sim Developers before so let's await their explanation before any histrionics or toy throwing.

ADD - Apologies I had not seen the supplementary FAQ statement when scribing the above comments - hopefully many will feel more relaxed about the situation as regards existing add-on purchases now
 
Whilst I will probably buy the new Sim, my beef is that some basic stuff in 2020 has never worked reliably, AI traffic for a start was better in FSX and even brilliant packages like FSLTL have limitations because of it. I bought it on the basis of the 10 year roadmap and my naïve understanding was that this was going to evolve with time, not get superseded in 4 years time with a new version. I really don't expect them to be investing much development work into 2020 beyond 2024 irrespective of what they say now.

At least we know what to expect in the future so can invest wisely.
 
kdl said:
At first I thought it was a belated April Fool's joke - but no - pure commerce - a new money printing machine
- another 100,000 or more copies for $100 each - not bad

Dieter
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Microsoft is a business. Gotta pay those devs and licensors. We’ve gotten a cubic buttload of free additions so far. If the want more money, the price of a nice meal out for two with no booze, every four years, that’s fine with me.
 
Priller said:
They said that MSFS would be with us for 10 years. If they're making us buy another sim before that, I'm changing hobbies.
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My thoughts exactly.

Moreover, one of the things I like about the FS saga (including MSFS) is that you don't need to achieve goals, other than those you pose to yourself on your own. The whole world is there, and you can freely fly to wherever you want, at will.

I see the announced new sim as MSFS 2020 + a handful of add-on aircraft + "goals".
 
I will buy it just like I have bought every other version since the early 90's. In the meanwhile I will enjoy 2020 for the next couple years (I figure it will take that long to get 2024 out. Hello Bethesda!) I think 2024 will be an improvement over 2020 and look forward to its realease.

I just watched the trailer. I think the new 2024 will help moviate young people into aviation. It showed a lot of things pilots can do.

The drilling platforn sequence brought back memories. I few to a lot of different platforms in helicopters. Except, I don't recall any pilots wearing a helmet, and if the pilot had one it stayed in the cockpit. I am just being picky. :) I loved the avatar graphics. Much better than current.

As I said earlier, I am looking forward to this release.
 
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I find myself only semi-mollified by the clarification issued later yesterday.

It seems likely that most commercial and, one can reasonably hope, most community addons will still work, probably with the updates that we are already accustomed to seeing to cope with the regular patches to FS2020.

With a little luck, we will be able to use mod managers to have the two sims share a common Community folder rather than having to duplicate a couple terabytes of addons. At least until we are ready to delete the old sim.

I'll be holding back on FS2024 until forced to buy it, to give time (1) for them to smush some of the Day 1 bugs, (2) ascertain what the compatibility situation really is, and (3) figure out if it will run on my hardware. For those of us who don't run MSFS on maxed out settings now, the concern is that any improved graphics in the new sim will have to be dialed back so much to achieve the same performance that they will look the same as the old sim. In VR, in particular, I'll be very surprised if the new sim can be made to look any better.

More big picture, I hope MS isn't making a mistake with this gamification of the sim. I see a dozen or so mission scenarios called out in the trailer, but that isn't going to impress a real gamer. The graphics in the current sim are junk by the standards of a real AAA video game, to the point where my kids jeer at them when they see me playing. The trailer looks better, but then, the trailers for FS2020 always looked much better than my sim ever did. Somehow the bombed-out photogrammetry, low-poly ground assets, and color-shifted ground textures never made it into those movies. It's a stretch to imagine that anyone who plays Elden Ring or Cyberpunk 2077 could ever find MSFS either of sufficient quality or having a sufficient amount of content to call it a good game. MS might really be better off focusing on the traditional sim audience that is happy to accept these tradeoffs so that we can do our esoteric flying thing. But heck, what do I know. Maybe the Top Gun and Reno racing missions were such booming successes that MS decided that scenario-based missions point the way forward for the platform. As long as we still have a flight sim, I don't mind having those elements which I can always ignore. But I do want the franchise to stay economically healthy, by developing in directions that are going to be sustainable.

August
 
If they're shooting for a mid-2024 release (or even late-2024), they have at least a year or more to show and discuss whatever else may be new and cutting edge about this new title over the existing one. They have a lot of time between now and then to show it off in greater fashion, to guarantee that interest in the new sim will be piqued by the time it launches. I have noticed that MSFS's vocally-largest user base, the tubeliner guys (graphics and GA aircraft not mattering as much as flight parameters, avionics & navigational systems, autopilots, ATC, etc.), have expressed next to no interest in anything that this teaser trailer has shown, so MS/Asobo will have to of course be presenting more to those folks as to why this will be a worthwhile switch from the existing sim if they are to keep that userbase into the next generation of the sim.

I have noticed in the teaser trailer that there are actual airlines shown in one of the clips, and it is neat to hear that tornadoes will actually be weather-controlled/variable (not just a specially-setup mission sequence), and aspects of the scenery and vegetation look quite a lot better than what currently exists in MSFS (I'm hoping too that this wide-spread, and not just pockets of bespoke mission scenery, such as the 3D crop fields). Knowing some of the mindset behind how Microsoft/Asobo plan these teaser trailers in the past, the fact that so many of the aircraft seen in the trailer are already-existing MSFS addons, was the hint that the aircraft addons for MSFS will continue to work in the new sim (now since confirmed by Microsoft/Asobo in writing). They do say that a few addons might not work, but that surely is them making sure to cover all of the bases - for instance, the teaser trailer shows that the new sim will have new vegetation as well as seasonal texture changes, which means that all of the season-related vegetation addons for MSFS will likely not work in the new sim, nor even be necessary (except for alternative model/texture options).
 
Microsoft will quickly bleed-off resources from MSFS 2020. Costly to support both platforms for any length of time. So bye, bye MSFS 2020. It's just how the for profit business runs. The new platform becomes the business priority until FS 2028. I also suspect a few developers know more than they are saying under NDA. The smaller devs left in the dark. As for me, I'll throttle purchases for the current platform.
 
K5083 said:
I find myself only semi-mollified by the clarification issued later yesterday.It seems likely that most commercial and, one can reasonably hope, most community addons will still work, probably with the updates that we are already accustomed to seeing to cope with the regular patches to FS2020.With a little luck, we will be able to use mod managers to have the two sims share a common Community folder rather than having to duplicate a couple terabytes of addons. At least until we are ready to delete the old sim.I'll be holding back on FS2024 until forced to buy it, to give time (1) for them to smush some of the Day 1 bugs, (2) ascertain what the compatibility situation really is, and (3) figure out if it will run on my hardware. For those of us who don't run MSFS on maxed out settings now, the concern is that any improved graphics in the new sim will have to be dialed back so much to achieve the same performance that they will look the same as the old sim. In VR, in particular, I'll be very surprised if the new sim can be made to look any better.More big picture, I hope MS isn't making a mistake with this gamification of the sim. I see a dozen or so mission scenarios called out in the trailer, but that isn't going to impress a real gamer. The graphics in the current sim are junk by the standards of a real AAA video game, to the point where my kids jeer at them when they see me playing. The trailer looks better, but then, the trailers for FS2020 always looked much better than my sim ever did. Somehow the bombed-out photogrammetry, low-poly ground assets, and color-shifted ground textures never made it into those movies. It's a stretch to imagine that anyone who plays Elden Ring or Cyberpunk 2077 could ever find MSFS either of sufficient quality or having a sufficient amount of content to call it a good game. MS might really be better off focusing on the traditional sim audience that is happy to accept these tradeoffs so that we can do our esoteric flying thing. But heck, what do I know. Maybe the Top Gun and Reno racing missions were such booming successes that MS decided that scenario-based missions point the way forward for the platform. As long as we still have a flight sim, I don't mind having those elements which I can always ignore. But I do want the franchise to stay economically healthy, by developing in directions that are going to be sustainable.August
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Well stated. My thoughts exactly.
 
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