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Operation Chastise development thread

I never saw or seen the Alphasim Lancaster before this! 12,500 is a tad high but I thinking like any model I have worked with I could get 100 to 300 lower by making some new tires and changing the pilots/gunners to CFS2 pilots/gunners.
 
Shessi said:
Well.......
When I saw this project post, I went for the old Alphasim's Dambuster Lanc. Oldie but a goodie, and low on polys. Ripped it to FSDS, started playing with it but then saw you guys were going to use Dave's Lanc, so left it.

Allen, with crew, turrets etc it is 12500 polys. Adding prop discs, ani's, and if you use the very simple UC that I built for my Avro Manchester AI model, it will not make it much more. The mdl (no LODs, but TBH you don't need them with such a simple model and so few ac needed), would be about 500Kb (it's 401Kb as is)

Alphasim were great sim modellers, if you look at the crew, which are positioned as in the Dambuster film, you'll see that they actually use Gibson's pic for the pilots face (along with shirt sleeves and tie as in the film), you also get Pierce Brosnans face (wow! ha ha) for the rest of the crew. The bomb aimer also has the Y sighting stick...just superb modelling.......oh why did you have to go, Alpha?

If plan 'A' was something else then ok, let me know if I can help etc.

Cheers

Shessi
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Hey Shessi,

Unless I'm mistaken plan A was to rework Dave's model. Plan B was/is for Allen to make a new one. I think at this point he might be open to a plan C. Either way we need two models. one for the skip bomb and another for the tallboy and Grand Slam. And maybe a standard model. so thats three.

I was thinking of doing the spot lights for the model. they used 2 lights under the plane to set their alt above the water. I don't know, maybe that would be too much. I'll think about it.

till later,
John
 
Plan C is the Alphasim Lancaster. I found it and the read me say things are okay as long as it never is put up at payware website. It looks good over all. No landing gear but I already made some. I see a few place that I could free up some polygons from as well.
 
Hi guys,

great project. Some of you may remember I did some tweaks to Dave/Buddhas Lanc conversion, my first visits to the OH years back when I were a lad!! They seem to be gone from the library now. I did Alpha out the weapons and used Freeware alternatives for Grandslam and upkeep from SimV.

Anyways, in that process, Dave gave me the mdl source files for 3DSmax and permission to use them, if they are of any use, holler. Never learned Max/Gmax, so never utilised them.

anything I can do,
Jamie

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PS. Have looked for the source files, no joy, except for a possible DXF format conversion.
 
JDTinballs said:
Hi guys,

great project. Some of you may remember I did some tweaks to Dave/Buddhas Lanc conversion, my first visits to the OH years back when I were a lad!! They seem to be gone from the library now. I did Alpha out the weapons and used Freeware alternatives for Grandslam and upkeep from SimV.

Anyways, in that process, Dave gave me the mdl source files for 3DSmax and permission to use them, if they are of any use, holler. Never learned Max/Gmax, so never utilised them.

anything I can do,
Jamie

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PS. Have looked for the source files, no joy, except for a possible DXF format conversion.
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Can someone make me a model with all of the parts but leave out the crew and the VC. I will need the LODs. have the gear down and all controls neutral. I can actually do it all as long as everything is there. I'll make the static model.

Rami,
Are the bases up to date?
 
With a lot of tweaking, now with working UC, permenant prop discs, ailerons, flaps, rudders, 10979 polys and a 365Kb mdl in CFS2....if you should need it...;)

Cheers

Shessi
 
I put the Alphasim Lancaster on diet and it is down to 7200+ by cutting out the crew and tail wheel.
 
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Hey guys,

If this helps, I can easily use Bismarck13's AI for all the other aircraft in the formation, and just use a detailed Lanc for the player flight. You can do that trick in Mission Builder, and it will help keep FPS high. I would just need a low-poly "bouncing" and "tallboy / grand slam" version.
 
The Alphasim Lancaster should work fine. I'm not in love with how some of the model and texture work was done for the engines but I should be able to fix them.
 
Rami said:
Hey guys,

If this helps, I can easily use Bismarck13's AI for all the other aircraft in the formation, and just use a detailed Lanc for the player flight. You can do that trick in Mission Builder, and it will help keep FPS high. I would just need a low-poly "bouncing" and "tallboy / grand slam" version.
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Rami,
Those bombs I made are MLOD so they should be fine. If you notice a FPS drop let me know. The LODs are at 10 50 and 100. I can up the 50 to 75 if needed. If the AI can't handle the weight I can make AI versions. Let me know what you need.
 
I got lost for a few days hacking and cutting my way through the ALPHA Sim Lancaster model as it had hundards of littile parts (and some big) that were not textured but had color done by Material settings that had to be textured, deleted and/or replaced.

I got landing gear, props and wing flaps added. Replaced the pilots and gunners with CFS2 pilots and gunners. I set the model up to use basic breaking parts. I got the polygon count down to 8970 as show below. It will jump up to 10,434 sitting on the ground as I used he high detal still props I made for the B-24J. Still no VC or LODs.



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While SOH was going to fark I got the ALPHA Sim Lancaster model done unless I and add some more detail to the VC. I also got the Upkeep Mine AKA Bouncing bomb done. I used the Tick18 key on the Upkeep so the mine is animated. It spins backwards while you and the AI are carrying and droping it. Reworked the ALPHA Sim engine sounds as they were using the old CFS1 set up that dosn't use 2 stage start up and has no shut down.


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I'm going to look at the stock ALPHA Sim Lancaster DP and see how it works so I can plug in the needed bits for the breaking parts. Still have to work on the aircraft.cfg and airfile. Waiting on engine and fuel info.
 
Am I am correct in thinking we have all the High Capacity bombs already? I know we have the 4000lb 'Cookie', Tallboy, and Grand Slam. Did someone model the 8000 'Super Cookie' and 12000lb?
The 12000lb will be required for Michelin, Bergerac, Air Park and Munich.
 
hewman100 said:
Am I am correct in thinking we have all the High Capacity bombs already? I know we have the 4000lb 'Cookie', Tallboy, and Grand Slam. Did someone model the 8000 'Super Cookie' and 12000lb?
The 12000lb will be required for Michelin, Bergerac, Air Park and Munich.
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I have been looking at those. I think I'll do the 12000lb and the 8000lb.

I haven't looked at the 4000lb but I did download it. That was the one carried by the Mossie correct.
 
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Hewman,

Excellent idea, I'm eagerly looking forward to getting back into this once I clear a couple of other projects!:very_drunk:
 
Rami said:
Hewman,

Excellent idea, I'm eagerly looking forward to getting back into this once I clear a couple of other projects!:very_drunk:
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Good.

Because the 12,000 lb HC "Blockbuster" Bomb is almost finished. With a little work the 8000 lb won't be far behind.

I wonder if I being watched by the FBI yet. All of this bomb research must have them looking at me by now.:wavey:

At any rate, I should be able to wrap them up tonite or by Sunday at the latest.
 
Rami

Did you have any lick geting the Lancaster to quit eating up all of the fuel when using warp?
 
Update for Allen...testing feedback

Allen,

My apologies for not testing. I've been battling a bad case of the flu for the last few days (even though I DID have a flu shot) with body aches, digestive "issues," and a fever in the 101-102 range, along with severe headaches and feeling in general like I've been beaten with a bag of rocks.

It's all I can do most of the last few days to exchange e-mails with a few people and keep up with the library.

To add to the misery, after digging out from the last storm less than 36 hours ago, we're expecting between 8 and 14 inches of snow tonight, and fierce winds that could knock out power as an Alberta Clipper "bombs out" as it leaves the Atlantic coastline.

If this forecast holds, no church for me tomorrow, I'll just stay home.
 
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