• There seems to be an uptick in Political comments in recent months. Those of us who are long time members of the site know that Political and Religious content has been banned for years. Nothing has changed. Please leave all political and religious comments out of the forums.

    If you recently joined the forums you were not presented with this restriction in the terms of service. This was due to a conversion error when we went from vBulletin to Xenforo. We have updated our terms of service to reflect these corrections.

    Please note any post refering to a politician will be considered political even if it is intended to be humor. Our experience is these topics have a way of dividing the forums and causing deep resentment among members. It is a poison to the community. We appreciate compliance with the rules.

    The Staff of SOH

  • Server side Maintenance is done. We still have an update to the forum software to run but that one will have to wait for a better time.

P-38

It all depends, really. In WWII, they didnt have a lot of excess time on there hands to give every aircraft a spit polish. It just wasn't needed. In a museum and for modern restored warbirds, they have the time, and they want there aircraft looking pirdy. Bare aluminum WILL Oxidize.

Also, as others have noted, that is just a render. Its not "in game" and has no reflective shaders. What you get in-game will look a lot differant. The render only shows you the paint liverty and model.

Another thing is, if you want it more or less shiny, im sure there will be a paint kit!!! Or, wait for someone with similar taste to make a skin you like. There are plenty of skinners around, and judging from early response, this will be a skinners darling.

So my advice is this. Wait for in-game screenshots before cratiquing the paint finish ;)
 
spotlope said:
Not down on you personally Kiwikat, just pointing out that modeling for this crowd requires a thick skin. It'd be nice to give a little :ernae: for the great work displayed before stampeding straight for the :173go1:. Nobody develops FS stuff for the money, it's almost all for love. It's nice to give a little of that back to your friendly neighborhood developer now and then.

I don't fly a lot of warbirds, but I've always had a soft spot for P-38's. This one is most definitely going in my hangar.

:medals::medals:
Click to expand...

As someone who has been modeling aircraft for this community for 10 years, thanks! And yes, it DOES take thick skin. Many times I have wanted to "give in", but I keep getting pulled back.
 
I suspect some politics at play here, really poor show if thats the case.

I know Milviz models inside and out, I've worked on enouh of them, they have there good points and there bad, but they are getting better all the time, its a nice clean mesh and the textures look like authentic in the field toned down, no time to polish when your shooting the bad guy for a living.

Bare metal is one of the hardest textures to replicate, end game is, as a developer your never going to win, some one somewhere will have an opposing view.
 
Actually I think the render stands up for itself perfectly. It will be the first P38 for FsX and maybe the last as tubeliners and ga are the big markets in FsX, so this being the case I think we have an excellent example with this milviz model:ernae:
 
That is one sweet looking P-38. Triggers my imagination, very cool. Looks like it will be just as good as that Corsair!:ernae:
 
It looks good so far. Can't comment on the Corsair's 'quality' - something very subjective - out of my own experience as I don't own it, but it looks pretty good.

Any ideas on a publisher or release date ? Would like to see it at A2A standard. I'll be grabbing this one as soon as it's released. I wonder why it took so long before someone started native FSX development on such a magnificent warbird, actually. Already threw some junk out of my virtual hangar :jump:...

As Gibbage said, wait and see.
 
This thread seems to come back to the same old issues to me. It's not what is said, but how it is said. Kiwicat, you could of got a better response by phrasing your issue in a more appropriate way. I totally agree that critisism should be open, however how it is put across will often dictate the response it will generate. Years in management did teach me something !

There are always going to be disagreement, but with thought by everyone before hitting the "post" button, they can be constructive disagreements :ernae:
 
Gee, seems you can't please every blessed mother's son. :)
I'll be the first in line to get it when it's released, always had a soft spot for twin engine warbirds and this one appears to be lovingly crafted.
 
Tact: Sensitivity dealing with others.

In other words, put yourself in the position of receiving the post you are sending. More and more people around here seem to be lacking tact.


Awesome P-38! Awesome F4U! I love the Hog and I'll be adding the Bolt to my collection when it comes out.
 
I must apologize to you Kiwikat for my statement. It was entirely reactive rather than well thought out. I was so offended by your remark that I responded without thinking.

That said, two wrongs do not make a right and I do apologize.

On the subject of the paint job: As DC has pointed out, and he IS the defacto expert on the subject as many of you pointed out to me, it's looking pretty much the right way. And that is the way it will stay.

If you don't like it, then don't buy it. It's your money and, I might add, your loss. We feel that this plane is going to be the best warbird out there. Bar none. We intend to do most, if not all, systems operational. Every switch, lever and knob will do what it is supposed to do, with any luck at all! (these planes were notorious for not working properly!:173go1:). And all this for one price.

However, we will be putting out a paint kit with the plane and, if any re-painter would like to get in on it early and do a highly reflective and clean paint job, please... feel free to contact me and we will arrange to do that.

It needs to be said that I, personally, have a preference for dirty planes and we make them that way cause I am, after all, the boss. I don't like them looking like something just off the factory floor. That's why I never liked Mustangs. That was the one plane that was kept polished by order(s)... Almost all of our planes have that used, beat up look. If you are not a fan, you are totally free to either purchase, not purchase or repaint what we've done. Our paintkit will allow you to modify the amount of "dirt" on the plane easily.

Anyway, the work progresses and we're nearly at the point where we'll start posting shots of it from within FSX.
 
krazycolin said:
I must apologize to you Kiwikat for my statement. It was entirely reactive rather than well thought out. I was so offended by your remark that I responded without thinking.

That said, two wrongs do not make a right and I do apologize.

On the subject of the paint job: As DC has pointed out, and he IS the defacto expert on the subject as many of you pointed out to me, it's looking pretty much the right way. And that is the way it will stay.

If you don't like it, then don't buy it. It's your money and, I might add, your loss. We feel that this plane is going to be the best warbird out there. Bar none. We intend to do most, if not all, systems operational. Every switch, lever and knob will do what it is supposed to do, with any luck at all! (these planes were notorious for not working properly!:173go1:). And all this for one price.

However, we will be putting out a paint kit with the plane and, if any re-painter would like to get in on it early and do a highly reflective and clean paint job, please... feel free to contact me and we will arrange to do that.

It needs to be said that I, personally, have a preference for dirty planes and we make them that way cause I am, after all, the boss. I don't like them looking like something just off the factory floor. That's why I never liked Mustangs. That was the one plane that was kept polished by order(s)... Almost all of our planes have that used, beat up look. If you are not a fan, you are totally free to either purchase, not purchase or repaint what we've done. Our paintkit will allow you to modify the amount of "dirt" on the plane easily.

Anyway, the work progresses and we're nearly at the point where we'll start posting shots of it from within FSX.
Click to expand...

I will personally add my apologies for sounding as if i totally hated the aircraft. i was only fussing over the textures the rest of it looks good and since you are going for a beat up look like it would hace looked in pacific theater then it looks awesome, and kool on the paint kit

Ryan
<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
 
Thanks for the response, Colin. It is good to hear there will be a paint kit that allows varying levels of weathering. I'm sure it will look different from within FSX too. Renders aren't always the best judge.

And to all of those discussing the finish of the plane, be it aluminum or painted, that is why I had asked which it is supposed to be. From those renders it wasn't too obvious to me what the artist had in mind.

Back to the thread. :ernae:
 
Uh...
I was somewhat out of line myself last night, and was kinda hard on Ryan. Sorry about that! :redface:
 
You said this would be the best warbird out there. Does that mean it will even beat the legendary A2A Razorback? I look forward to this because if you are telling the truth... this will be one hell of a plane.
 
man! count me in, it's looking sweet!

i know there are purists who might disagree, but a pop-up a/p like what was used in the dcc fs9 version would be much appreciated.
 
Raptor11 said:
You said this would be the best warbird out there. Does that mean it will even beat the legendary A2A Razorback? I look forward to this because if you are telling the truth... this will be one hell of a plane.
Click to expand...


I'm not going to get into comparing ours with theirs. You will have to be the judge of that.

Panther, you made my day. :ernae:
 
This plane will also end up in my hanger. Looks good. I am impressed with the way developers are pushing the limits by making things work in FSX that were not part of the original code. Keep it up. And on a personal note, a bit of dirt on a plane gives it a story, a shiny plane is just pretty to look at, but one with a bit of wear on it, well that is one that contains a story of adventure and excitement that allows the imagination to run wild.
 
Hopefully there will be a few sales to the small but active Round The World Racer community, as DCC's planes were always a staple aircraft due to their utter reliability in difficult conditions.

Warbirds are very complex aircraft to model, visually and flight dynamic wise. The amount of work to do a good one up to the standards that FSX will allow is a big task, probably somewhat a causal factor in there not being a lot of them!

Glad to see this one! Tom
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top