surely, if LM want to hold you to the EULA, then there needs to be a more stringent procedure for allowing purchase. I mean, 'of course' everyone will claim they are using the edtion for Student Learning. But if they want to make it stand up, then please make people prove their entitlement at time of purchase.
P3d 'Academic' license $50
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Looks to me that if you have a degree you should buy the professional license otherwise you can use the academic license for home use. It says Individual student use k-12 and undergraduate. By the way my family does not consider FSX entertaining in any way.
Dave
It's a thorny issue. I look forward to hearing other opinions on this same topic but in the final analysis, it is an issue between the P3D end user and LM.
I also would like to hear from the fsx payware developers who frequent this forum. Have you changed your EULAs or do you plan to do so to allow your products to be used in P3D? Does this imply you will provide a separate P3D installer? (in which case I have to assume you would charge $ just like Orbx does.)
After quickly comparing the Professional License with the Academic License I noticed the following 2 differences in the description:
The academic license seem to miss the following:
-Whole Earth WGS-84 Model
-Realistic Air Traffic Control
This doesn't necessarily mean that it's not present in the Academic version, but I'd like to be sure.
Also, these are licenses, does that mean that you have to renew licenses later on? I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money now just to find out I have to spend more money on version 2....
That's what I noticed too... Does anyone know the answer to that?
Cheers Rob
Prowler1111
Charter Member 2011
Speaking from RAZBAM, we are not changing our EULAs but they will be pretty much 2 separate products, difference between each other is what the FSX engine will allow us to do and what the Prepar3d engine let us d
f course since the are separate products, they are sold differently,but at the same price.In fact, the T-2 Buckeye comes with a FSX flavor and Prepar3d Flavor.Best regards
Prowler
Meshman
Charter Member
If I ever get to the point of releasing more mesh the license will allow for one individual to use the software on one computer at a time for non-commercial purposes. Use it with FSX? OK. Use it with Prepar3d? OK. Just use it on one computer at a time.
I put in a question on that to the forums. Waiting to hear back. I hope/intend to create separate new installers for P3D soon and deliver/upload them to my vendors as soon as possible.
LOLOL.... More like torture with all those ingenious niggles and studders and disappearing clouds, lol... I could never take over 30 min's at a time.
Bill
warchild
Charter Member
Although i'm cross developing for fsx as well as P3D, my main market remains FSX and so i'm not going to be offering any flight models for P3D for the time being. That said however, I know people will be porting my workmover tyo P3D so i have to do cross development to ensure best performance in both genre's.
dharris
Charter Member
I think Meshman has hit on a good compromise. I have alot of fsx software, payware, freeware, whatever and don't think I would want to have to pay for one over the other. Reminds me of when cd's came out have go out and buy the same cd's that I had on vinyl, got vhs, get dvd, got dvd got to get blueray. To me on S.S. can not support both ways any longer.
SkippyBing
Charter Member
I don't think that's the correct interpretation, the academic license is for non-degree level education but if you have say a BSc in Geology you could be considered to be learning about aviation at a much lower level. As another example you may have a BEng in Aeronautics, but if you're using it to learn to fly the P3D license you use would depend on what level of qualification a pilot's license is equivalent to, which probably varies by country and level of license.
That's my squawk right there. After reading more in depth of the legality concerning EULA of said parties, my interest in P3D is subsiding quickly. All things considered, LM is doing their own thing. But they are doing their thing with code that is allowing MS and third party addons to be utilized. In my opinion they (LM) should not allow this to happen. The cliche just keeps getting bigger and bigger. And the simplistic manner that the consumer can use 3rd party materials, having that ability, is going to (and will) get them (us) in hot water. Piracy will come to play. Which is ridiculous on LM part to allow in their code.
mike_cyul
SOH-CM-2023
Sorry to disagree,
Most developpers (with the notable exceptions of Flight1 and PMDG) have already embraced the new platform and allow or even encourage the use of their paid-for addons, either for free (FSDT, Aerosoft) or for a small fee (Orbx). The only ones complaining could perhaps take a more positive stance and propose a reasonable upgrade path for their customers instead of forbidding the use of their addons.
Jean-Paul
The text is somewhat ambiguous, but the fact they say "student use k-12 and undergraduate" does not seem to indicate levels of aviation knowedge, unless you know of some kindergarteners with a PPL who might then be required to get the Pro version.
Dave
SkippyBing
Charter Member
To be honest I assumed they meant the course of study that the student licence is being brought to pursue is at the K-12 to Undergraduate level. Generally student licenses are intended to aid students to acquire software relative to their course, not just so they can get it cheap although that's often what happens.
If the wording is ambiguous then it's to the benefit of the consumer as LM's lawyers should have been more explicit, unless they wanted to leave the wriggle room in...
Prowler1111
Charter Member 2011
Speaking from our side of the fence,, you can either buy a FSX product and put it in Prepar3D (it´s all over the P3D forums how to) OR, if you´re into Prepar3D, buy a P3D intended version(some stuff wont work in FSX, but then again, P3D IS your FS of choice). Dunno where is the fuzz guys, it´s as simple as putting a FS9 model into FSX.
Best regards
Prowler
Best regards
Prowler
At this juncture, there's really not one bit of difference in the actual model, gauges, and textures. Which, considering that the export tools and modeldef.xml file are identical, should come as no surprise.
At this juncture, there's really not one bit of difference in the actual model, gauges, and textures. Which, considering that the export tools and modeldef.xml file are identical, should come as no surprise.
So there's no real justification for Dev's to charge $$$'s in making their products available for use in P3D.
I would guess that by calling it an academic license they sidestep some of their agreement with M$. This will create a much larger pool of people testing the product and since they are actively coding will allow them to sell a better product to the big boys who don't really want code that needs to be debugged. Sort of like a beta program you pay to participate in then get a really good product almost free for your participation.
Dave
Dave