Shooting down A/C

Unless you agree with my theory on the functionality of gunnery spread'
( OFF Tips & Cheats #28 ) Then we can safely say: on tightest if you miss you'll miss clean, but if you hit, you'll ruin his day. And on widest, you'll need to be closer. For as the distance to the target increases, the distance between one bullet and the next also increases.

Likewise, it only makes sense, that there are three choices of bullet power for a reason. Being one who believes that your most frugal target
( How many bullets he can accept, without showing any effect ) is the pilot. NORMAL = Default, you better hit his flesh first, because your bullet ain't gonna go thru much to reach him.
STRONG = My setting - you can be reasonably sure, that when directly behind him and you shoot at his tail, some projectiles would hit his back, perhaps lacking enough power to instantly kill him, but you would, at least theoretically quiet him down.
STRONGEST = only belongs in an Arcade. It'll penetrate threw just about any part of that aircraft, to score a hit, the only thing that could give cause to pause. Is the fuel tank, or the engine. Good targets anyway.
Also I should think it would be pretty good at tearing wings off.

It's basically the same as hunting game with a firearm ( use enough gun )
Other than a brain shot, at a stationary critter. Your goal is Blow his Heart into smitherrens. Your bullet Must have sufficent power, to go thru sinew and muscle, to reach the heart. Another target is to smash the shoulder bone into many sharp fragments which will cut up the lungs. Not as effective as a heart shot, but it does the job. Plus if you miss his shoulder bone, you'll pulverize his Lungs. He'll run, but not far.

Actually it is a violation of the Hunting Regulations in most areas, to use a bullet which lacks sufficent power, to reach the vitals, having enough power remaining to do fatal damage.

Naturally the Hunter, must do his part to deliver the bullet into the boiler room of a moving animal.

Unfortunately, after the close of every Deer season, the woods are littered with bloated Deer Carcases. The result of a Gut Shot, where the bullet lacked sufficent power to penetrate the intestinal area, then hit a vital organ. Or the Elmer Fudd didn't know what he was doing, and didn't belong there in the first place. So the animal dies a long and painful death, what a WASTE. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
I have set my guns in Workshops to 'tight' spread ,that seems to help me a lot. I shot down a Fokker yesterday with a very short burst, I think I must got the pilot because there was no visible smoke or flames.


I agree with the above, just for comparison sake, set your gun spread to widest in workshops and fly a dogfight, when you have finished, check your stats for the % of hits on the enemy, then set your gun spread to tightest, and fly the same dogfight and again check your % of hits at the end of it.

When I did this with infinite ammo it took me over 4000 shots fired to kill 6 planes with a 8% hit rate on widest spread the same dogfight on tightest spread took under 3000 shots with a hit rate of 26% to kill 6 planes.

Thanks
Rugbyfan1972
 
It would seem that the narrow spread is better, but that also means your aim must be better, too!!!
 
Good pint. Concentrated fire on elevators and ailerons also bring them down quickly. Too many bullets in the engine may cause a flamer that will never go down, and this is a known P2 bug. But such conversation will be outdated after P3 I guess.

Yes, no such thing as a bad pint, really :) -sorry Dimus, couldn't resist-lol

Hmm - if you look at the xmls of the aircraft you will see the probability and threshold values which doesn't bode well for aiming for elevators and ailerons.
What emphasizes this lack of damage on these planes is how few bullets you take from the AI before you are doomed-lol.

We'll see what Phase 3 brings? Must be close now, can't wait.!
 
Dimus said:
Quote:Originally Posted by Dimus
Good pint. Concentrated fire on elevators and ailerons also bring them down quickly. Too many bullets in the engine may cause a flamer that will never go down, and this is a known P2 bug. But such conversation will be outdated after P3 I guess.

Yes, no such thing as a bad pint, really -sorry Dimus, couldn't resist-lol

Just be careful not to have too much of them pints :costumes::friday::friday::ernae::friday:
 
I agree with the above, just for comparison sake, set your gun spread to widest in workshops and fly a dogfight, when you have finished, check your stats for the % of hits on the enemy, then set your gun spread to tightest, and fly the same dogfight and again check your % of hits at the end of it.

When I did this with infinite ammo it took me over 4000 shots fired to kill 6 planes with a 8% hit rate on widest spread the same dogfight on tightest spread took under 3000 shots with a hit rate of 26% to kill 6 planes.

Thanks
Rugbyfan1972

Three thousand rounds to down 6 aircraft? At 26% that's 780 rounds hitting their mark, but 2,220 that missed. Methinks you need to work on your marksmanship! My best mission in Campaign was 7 kills, 90% realism (5% for automixture, 5% or medium flight model). With guns on normal spread, normal strength, I fired 778 rounds with 346 hits for 44% accuracy in a DrI against Camels. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=5259&page=2 This is by no means a typical mission. Most times it's somewhere between 30 and 40%. The majority of the times when the odds are 4-1 I get my a$$ shot off (see thumbnail). The Gods of War were smiling on me on that mission. Most times they frown.

CJ
 
Three thousand rounds to down 6 aircraft? At 26% that's 780 rounds hitting their mark, but 2,220 that missed. Methinks you need to work on your marksmanship! My best mission in Campaign was 7 kills, 90% realism (5% for automixture, 5% or medium flight model). With guns on normal spread, normal strength, I fired 778 rounds with 346 hits for 44% accuracy in a DrI against Camels. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=5259&page=2 This is by no means a typical mission. Most times it's somewhere between 30 and 40%. The majority of the times when the odds are 4-1 I get my a$$ shot off (see thumbnail). The Gods of War were smiling on me on that mission. Most times they frown.

CJ

CJ,

I know I am not the best shot, that was in the beginning though, also I am disabled which means my reactions are not as quick as most people's on the forum, and at that time I was using a cyborg joystick (non FF), I have now progressed to a cyborg eve FF which I am still getting the hang of.

The above was shortly after I got P2 flying a Dh2 against EIII's and includes the "too close for hits to register bug".

I never claimed to be the best shot in this game, but because of the above reason I have mainly been using infinite ammo and am going to start using, limited as I am getting sick of returning home with 8 or 9 kills per mission, before you ask I also mainly use invincibility for the reason stated in an earlier post (your craft seems far too frail in comparison with the AI craft.

Let the ridicule begin.

Thanks
Rugbyfan
 
This comes under the heading of "not knowing the whole story". I'm not cutting you any slack for being handicapped (my wife is handicapped and she let me know long ago that she doesn't like it) but I would like to know your situation. Maybe we can work together and get you to the top of the kill board. If you want, PM me and we'll talk.

CJ
 
I know I am not the best shot, that was in the beginning though, also I am disabled which means my reactions are not as quick as most people's on the forum, and at that time I was using a cyborg joystick (non FF), I have now progressed to a cyborg eve FF which I am still getting the hang of.

Only my two cents if I may, I presently use the EVO FFB myself, and wouldn't have it any other way. But that said: your bullet hit percentage will be down, how far depends on the distance from your target when you normally open fire. These 57 year-old eyes are connected to a body that did massive amounts of LSD, while dancing around the campfire at Woodstock.

My normal Hit % is average 17%. But when I feel particularly bloodthirsty, I disable the FFB in workshop, and my hits soar to 30%. Certinly nothing to brag about, but illustrative of my point.

Not using Force Feedback, is like shooting fish in a barrel, yet many folks like it that way.

TO EACH HIS OWN :kilroy:
 
Great pictures, BAYWING; I'd really like to see these planes in flight. Now, I may be the last (sim)-pilot on earth, who doesn't know, but please tell me: where's "Old Rhinebeck" - is it just a translated German airodrome, or is it in America? (Now, please don't you all come down on me - just one answer would be quite sufficient).
Thanks; Olham
 
Thank you, CAMELJOCKEY, GIMPYGUY and ROOSTER - that place must be a paradise! So that's Cole Palen's collection - WOMENFLY2 mentioned him before! You Americans are miles ahead there - flying all these oldies. And there was even "my" good old Albatros (***!)
So there's another good reason for visiting New York one day. And through the link, I can always search for info, what will be planned there when, I guess. So, thank you, guys.
Olham
 
Bye the Bye. If you check-out, OFF Tips & Cheats #8 you'll run across links to Old Rinebeck, the Vintage aviator, this one
http://capphotography.fotopic.net/c1313799.html

And a whole wagonload more

As far as I know, the raindesert is the only link that doesn't work. All the video's are still on Utube, but the directory is NG. Seems the guy that put the link, took it down and decided to make a Documentary, and he vanished into thin air. Or he might have died . . .who know's
 
I do the best I can to stay a little below the targeted plane, and aim for the engine and cockpit area. Usually hit the gas tank, which kills the engine, or ignite the gasoline. Sopwiths burn beautifully.
 
Yes, no such thing as a bad pint, really :) -sorry Dimus, couldn't resist-lol

I saw the typo but after I posted but did not bother to edit to see if someone would pick it up. I guess after you've had a few good ones a bad one would not be noticed. :friday:
 
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