Team United - Golden Age - Boeing 247D

[DHC120]

Sorry Team,

I got hit with the leftovers of hurricane Ida (that's short for hemorrhoid).

The usual crap 75mph gusts and 40-50mph sustained with a foot of rain. We call 'um Nor'easters. Get six or eight a year, but usually not this bad. Wet carpet, trees down, fences need fixin', crap everywhere, golf course still flooded.

Neighbors aggreed to meet Monday morning for a march on the insurance company, with torches pitch forks and maybe a ball bat or two..


Anyway internet was out till today, just now getting back on!

I don't want to steal you guys thunder,,,,I've had a go already and there's no rush we have till the end of the month.

But there's nothing I'd like to do better than come into YMEN < 10 secs. from estimated time...

Charles, get us into Charleville (after all it's not Redville or saltville, eh?) and then if you guys want me to run it in, then I'll at least set it up so you can be there for the landing, Hamachi or whatever.

Cheers,

Austin;
Sorry to hear about your property damage.. Been there (Texas Hail stones aren't gentle on roofs, windows and cars:isadizzy.. Older sister lives outside of Boston, baby sister lives outside D.C (In Virginia), so they got/are getting Ida/Nor'Easter now.. Bummer for the Atlantic seaboard..
I'll take the Charleville flight, no problems.. Probably Tuesday or Wednesday.
Regardless of who handles the final leg, I'd like to see all three of "Team United's" pilots, in the air together, in "formation", to cross the finish line (via Hamachi).. Is that a possibility? (meaning, can Red be awake and fly during the daylight?).
I figure we could fly the last forty minutes (less than 100nm) with the "Official Pilot" in the lead plane and, of course, landing first.. That would make for some interesting screenshots (or even some video)..
We'd have to do some "time/distance coordination" to figure out when and where we could meet-up.. like spawning in/at/around NDB "ECH", Echuca.. Suppose to be YEHC Airport 17nm off the 174 degree heading track.. I couldn't spot it. YECH is about 90nm from YMEN, about 590nm into the flight. In my "test flights", I was about 2hrs 30min into the flight when I was approaching "EHC"..
Think this is a possibility? (Is "Drafting" allowed??) Would the "Rules" allow it? It's "Photo Op" only, Plane #1 would be on the Duenna, not #2 & #3.
One other thing, Austin.. not a priority, but I cannot get the Gadwin Printscreen to produce a screen shot.. I have it set to take shots by pushing "PrtScn" and it's suppose to Save them to a folder in My Documents. It worked once during a test, but never during a flight and nothing since.. Any simple suggestions? Like I said, not a priority.. If you are going to be involved with the insurance company on property damage, then don't even think about this.. Family First!!

 

[Willy]

Quick and easy way to join up in multiplayer. use cntrl shft t to "target" the player you want to join up on. His name will appear in the upper left corner of your screen. Then when you're ready to join up, hit cntrl shft f to "form up". This will put you right on his six. This only works if your target is in the air. If he's on the ground, be ready to crash.

Hope this helps.

 

[salt_air]

Gadwin

Sounds like you've got the Print Screen key assigned to something else in the Sim or you need to change the format of what's being saved.

There will be a bunch of us on later today (1530 your time). Probably be on for a couple fo hours or so. Come early or late, we can work out screen shots in just a few minutes.

If not I'll look for you next week,,,,,easy fix.

 

[DHC120]

Quick and easy way to join up in multiplayer. use cntrl shft t to "target" the player you want to join up on. His name will appear in the upper left corner of your screen. Then when you're ready to join up, hit cntrl shft f to "form up". This will put you right on his six. This only works if your target is in the air. If he's on the ground, be ready to crash.

Hope this helps.

Willy;
Thanks.. That's an interesting set of commands.. I would have never thought something like that was even available.
Appreciate the info.

 

[DHC120]

Leg #14 Charleville

Ready to depart Tennant Creek (YTNK) for Charleville (YBCV).[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Racing for Team United in the Boeing 247D,

 

[DHC120]

Overstressed!!!!

Duenna Blew Me Out Of The Sky!
So much for YTNK-YBCV today.............................................
A few minutes before I "crashed", I was cruising comfortably at 153Kts IAS/170Kts GS. Level Alt 3500'AMSL and a LR Quartering Tailwind at 350/9.
I was playing with the E6B, figuring out "time" when I would pass the NDB "WDH" that I had picked-up a few minutes before, as well as "Time" to YBCV.. Then the Sim stopped cold!
Duenna says my IAS was 176.4KTS.. That must have been one helluva tailwind that came up in a hurry!!
Can't trust these rookie co-pilots for nuthin' !!

 

[DHC120]

Continuation of Flight YTNK-YBCV

Rules state that "Rather than restarting mid-air incident flights (Overstress qualifies), pilots may optionally choose to place their aircraft at a nearby airfield along the flightpath no nearer to the destination.
I wish to exercise that option (penalties noted) and will restart at YWDH, Windorah airport (this is where FS9 "put me" on the restart, I trust this is acceptable).

 

[srgalahad]

Matter is "under review".
In the meantime this plot from FSNav may give you further information. "X" marks the pile of debris...

Please stand by...

 

[DHC120]

Matter is "under review".
In the meantime this plot from FSNav may give you further information. "X" marks the pile of debris...

Please stand by...

MY "Estimations" were that I was closer to YWHD than that.. So much for "Ded Reckoning" and E6B Plotting. Of course, I will accept the decision of the judges. There is a twenty peso "gratuity" for each judge in your "efforts" in determining the location of the restart

 

[srgalahad]

MY "Estimations" were that I was closer to YWHD than that.. So much for "Ded Reckoning" and E6B Plotting. Of course, I will accept the decision of the judges. There is a twenty peso "gratuity" for each judge in your "efforts" in determining the location of the restart

In that case I'll do more work.. I leave for Mexico about the same time as the official close of this event and I need to supplement my Dos Equis fund. (one bottle costs about 9.8 pesos in the grocery store.)

 

[srgalahad]

Charles, the official options...

(1) "Mid-air incidents such as overstressing the airframe or running out of fuel require that the flight be started again. Post the Duenna and return to the departure airport. The failed flight time does not count on the logbook but the crash does."

net result: 3 hrs (2nd crash) plus new flight time--- approx 5:00 = close to 8 hrs

(2) "Rather than restarting mid-air incident flights, pilots may optionally choose to place their aircraft at a nearby airfield along the flightpath no nearer to the destination. This is treated as a "crash on landing". This special option costs an additional penalty in addition to the penalty associated with the crash. The penalty is (2) hours for Golden Age pilots—which gets added to the crash penalty itself plus the Flight Time for the failed flight."

Therefore, it would be flighttime (3:17:52) to the event + 3 hours (2nd crash) + 2 hours plus the remaining time to YBCV (1+50?). Total= 10.25 hrs. approx.

YWDH is further along the route to YBCV (about 44nm) so it does not meet the rule. Possible options, should you choose to use the second option are YWTN (approx 296 nm to YBCV) or YBOU (406nm to YBCV), YBIE (391nm). See graphic above for reference.

It's your call.

Rob

 

[salt_air]

Re-Fly

Charles,

We'll need to re fly from Tennant Creek (YTNK). State in the post that the leg is being re flown due to a crash on the previous attempt.

There will be No E6-B's allowed in the cockpit for this flight.

Eat and go to the bathroom before you take off,,,,,ewww, yuk,,,,make sure you do that in the right order,,,,whew!....

Then put an extra "twenty" in Rob's envelop,,,,just write travel expenses on the outside.

No worries Charles!....



Rob,

Thanks a bunch for all the time and effort you put in to get this sorted out. Please pass the team's gratitude on to everyone else that got envolved as well.

You know,,,,you might want to think about buying dos equis on draft.

Right!,,, in one of those 32oz, inch thick beer mugs that's so cold your hand sticks to the handle when you grab it up to take a swig. [Grinning now,,,showing the pearly whites and nodding my head up and down.]

 

[DHC120]

Charles, the official options...

(1) "Mid-air incidents such as overstressing the airframe or running out of fuel require that the flight be started again. Post the Duenna and return to the departure airport. The failed flight time does not count on the logbook but the crash does."

net result: 3 hrs (2nd crash) plus new flight time--- approx 5:00 = close to 8 hrs

(2) "Rather than restarting mid-air incident flights, pilots may optionally choose to place their aircraft at a nearby airfield along the flightpath no nearer to the destination. This is treated as a "crash on landing". This special option costs an additional penalty in addition to the penalty associated with the crash. The penalty is (2) hours for Golden Age pilots—which gets added to the crash penalty itself plus the Flight Time for the failed flight."

Therefore, it would be flighttime (3:17:52) to the event + 3 hours (2nd crash) + 2 hours plus the remaining time to YBCV (1+50?). Total= 10.25 hrs. approx.

YWDH is further along the route to YBCV (about 44nm) so it does not meet the rule. Possible options, should you choose to use the second option are YWTN (approx 296 nm to YBCV) or YBOU (406nm to YBCV), YBIE (391nm). See graphic above for reference.

It's your call.

Rob

Rob;
I appreciate all your efforts in sorting out my options on this flight, not to mention hiring the survey crew to locate, much less haul off the wreckage (can I have new engines Installed? After the first "incident", they just don't have any pep.. I think Salt-Air has been whizzing in the fuel tanks instead of the Relief Tube!).
After careful review of the re-flight+ penalties, etc., calming down (a few shots of Crown Royal) and heeding Salt-Air's suggestion, I will refly the YTNK-YBCV leg.. without the E6B in the cockpit (but there are no NDB's, Salt!!).
Let me know the name of the "location" (House of Blue Lights?) in Mexico and I will set-up an unlimited tab for all the Dos Equis (and any "extras") you consume (I'll pay for it with my Nigerian Inheritance fund that is being shipped as we speak)
Again, thanks for everything.

 

[DHC120]

Charles,

We'll need to re fly from Tennant Creek (YTNK). State in the post that the leg is being re flown due to a crash on the previous attempt.

There will be No E6-B's allowed in the cockpit for this flight.

Eat and go to the bathroom before you take off,,,,,ewww, yuk,,,,make sure you do that in the right order,,,,whew!....

Then put an extra "twenty" in Rob's envelop,,,,just write travel expenses on the outside.

No worries Charles!....

Salt-Air;
Yes Sir! No E6B in the Cockpit (weren't you the one who suggested using the long flight time to learn how to use the E6B? And I'm getting the hang of it, too
I will refly the YTNK-YBCV tomorrow..
After the Overstress killed the sim (and knowing I wasn't even close to the 160Kt max limit), I was some upset.. Up until that moment, I was making good time, other than near zero viz, I had tailwinds at least half the time and no headwinds.. It would have been a good flight... might have even knocked-off a chunk of minutes from my first crash penalty.. Oh well.. No use crying over spilled Fosters.. I know the Aussies don't

 

[salt_air]

Good Luck!

Salt-Air;
Yes Sir! No E6B in the Cockpit (weren't you the one who suggested using the long flight time to learn how to use the E6B? And I'm getting the hang of it, too
I will refly the YTNK-YBCV tomorrow..
After the Overstress killed the sim (and knowing I wasn't even close to the 160Kt max limit), I was some upset.. Up until that moment, I was making good time, other than near zero viz, I had tailwinds at least half the time and no headwinds.. It would have been a good flight... might have even knocked-off a chunk of minutes from my first crash penalty.. Oh well.. No use crying over spilled Fosters.. I know the Aussies don't

Yeah, that would be me, the intent was to make use of the time to get some hands on experience with the "fine" calculator.....ya still have to get the plane to destination in one piece :isadizzy:.

Take a look at the flight log and notice that the aircraft spent over a full minute in overspeed. No need to discount that as the reason for the crash.

It's not the tailwind you have to watch out for,,,,,it's when the tailwind you're riding shifts around to the front of the plane and makes the IAS spike up over the 160 mark.

It will register overspeed for a long enough time to crash the plane long before it has enough effect to slow it down.

By your account the winds you were flying at a comfortable 153kts wuth the winds at 9kts.....picture comes into view......if the direction of the wind takes a shift to the face, then 9 + 153 = 162 or overspeed. A minute can get away from you if your reading or making a trip to the head or on the phone or what have ya. That has happened the best of us.

The team's avg GS is below 160kts,,,Try to get yourself in a postion where your airspeed and the wind speed (regardless of direction) combined is less than 160, but the GS is over 160 or better.

As I've said before, only the working man gets dirty, guys that never do anything never get into trouble, but that's no fun and the lesson learned (how to get out of work) is worthless.

Everyone of us are having fun and learning. What some folks are learning isn't as obvious as others..... Just keep making good use of the experience and take notes.

You're a great competitor and a great pilot, there are some things about the simulator that are bustin' your butt. This is a perfect opportunity to learn these things. You've made a lot of friends and fans here with your spirit and attitude. One more time, dust yourself off and scrape the crap off your boots.

After you get the 247D down to Charleville and you've caught your breath, I'd like to get together for the last leg and be your co-pliot into Melbourne. Both of us on TS with you flying the team entry into YMEN and across the finish line and me navigating.

What do you say?

 

[DHC120]

Yeah, that would be me, the intent was to make use of the time to get some hands on experience with the "fine" calculator.....ya still have to get the plane to destination in one piece :isadizzy:.

Roger That!!

Take a look at the flight log and notice that the aircraft spent over a full minute in overspeed. No need to discount that as the reason for the crash.

I'm not saying that "Overspeed" was only a "couple of seconds", it could have been a couple of minutes as I had my head down, E6B in one hand, pen & paper in the other, figuring something like "I'm X from this NDB, Y to that NDB, Z gap between them, how long til LOS, how long till I pick-up the next NDB", etc. At one point, as I passed the NDB "BOU", I used the E6B to figure time till Loss of Signal.. The E6B figured LOS at 10:40:30AM and the NDB went null at exactly 10:39:30AM.. My airspeed increased a couple of knots (I used 150Kts as my speed, was traveling at 153..) So, I was "on a roll" to try to "nail" a time/distance figure.. Side-tracked!

It's not the tailwind you have to watch out for,,,,,it's when the tailwind you're riding shifts around to the front of the plane and makes the IAS spike up over the 160 mark.

It will register overspeed for a long enough time to crash the plane long before it has enough effect to slow it down.

By your account the winds you were flying at a comfortable 153kts wuth the winds at 9kts.....picture comes into view......if the direction of the wind takes a shift to the face, then 9 + 153 = 162 or overspeed. A minute can get away from you if your reading or making a trip to the head or on the phone or what have ya. That has happened the best of us.

I've read that before but have yet to experience it.. but then, when I'm watching the gauges, I keep "adjusting" for the wind drift and am probably adjusting the throttles, as well (some things are just "reactions")..

The team's avg GS is below 160kts,,,Try to get yourself in a postion where your airspeed and the wind speed (regardless of direction) combined is less than 160, but the GS is over 160 or better.

I've found a "Sweet Spot" a few times, where IAS is 148 and GS is humping along in the high 170's.. I love it! Unfortunately, those times are short lived (why is it headwinds last a LOT longer than tailwinds?)

As I've said before, only the working man gets dirty, guys that never do anything never get into trouble, but that's no fun and the lesson learned (how to get out of work) is worthless.

Everyone of us are having fun and learning. What some folks are learning isn't as obvious as others..... Just keep making good use of the experience and take notes.

You're a great competitor and a great pilot, there are some things about the simulator that are bustin' your butt. This is a perfect opportunity to learn these things. You've made a lot of friends and fans here with your spirit and attitude. One more time, dust yourself off and scrape the crap off your boots.

That's why I wear boots.. keeps the crap from getting on my socks

After you get the 247D down to Charleville and you've caught your breath, I'd like to get together for the last leg and be your co-pliot into Melbourne. Both of us on TS with you flying the team entry into YMEN and across the finish line and me navigating.

What do you say?

Let me think on the last paragraph.. As it stands right now, after I touch down in Charleville, I'd fly the last thirty minutes or so of the YBCV-YMEN leg, "en masse", across the finish line (as a photo op only).. but I'm ready to pull the B-247D into a hanger and park it "for a while"..
Well, Off to that Wild Blue Yonder...

 

[DHC120]

Leg #14-B Charleville

Ready to depart Tennant Creek (YTNK) for Charleville (YBCV) again….[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Racing for Team United in the Boeing 247D.

 

[srgalahad]

No 32 oz mug for me.. they don't handle well while reposed in a hammock.. better this one with a length of hose... and the beach-buggy wheel kit...

 

[DHC120]

Landed at YBCV..... Finally!

YTNK-YBCV, she is done!
Set-up and ready to fly around 0825 local (Tennant Creek) time. Set my AFD Radios (I don't know why, can't pick-up the first NDB until you are 300nm into the flight). WX Report was "Clear. Wind 045 @ 09. Visibility 10miles..
Tuned my Heading to 115 degrees and started rolling at 0835.
At 0840, I was at 3000', Hdg 115 running 136Kts IAS & 140Kts GS with the winds out of 117 at 12Kts. I can live with a RF quartering breeze.
Three minutes later (0843) I was at 4000' and the clouds started building (so much for "Clear"). by 0850 I was at 5600' with a full on tailwind.. All Right!
A couple minutes later, the winds shifted and thus began the flight.
Interesting thing.. I set my "Plane Time" to be "Local" time for the area I'm flying (this way I can kinda keep track of sundown).. at 0903 the clock in the cockpit "jumped" to 1003.. It's done this on every Australian flight I've flown.. Do the folks in Oz have Daylight Wasting Time like we in the US do?
Other than flying for the better part of five+ hours in a cloud, the flight was uneventful (Read: NO Overspeed!! Zero, Nada, Zilch!!!). Personally, I think Salt-Air and/or Red-Green put "Restrictor Plates" under the carbs.. Coundn't get that bird to fly much faster than 150Kts unless I nosed it down.. The headwinds most of the way probably didn't help, either..
At about the halfway point (Boulia), I opted for a new tack (not a "last minute decision", I plotted all this out last night so I'd know where to go, how far, when to turn, what heading, etc. AND printed a few maps!) Instead of flying "straight" towards YBCV, I shot a heading of 100 degrees and aimed for Isisford AP.. Crossing directly over that airport, I turned to Heading 135 Degrees and that took me "straight-in" to Rwy 12 at YBCV.
I was getting worried as I was inside thirty miles and all I could see was brown in any direction.. Finally, about 10nm out I picked up the PAPI Lights (I wish FS9 would generate airports as well as it does fog, haze, thick clouds, etc.!).. I had already descended to 3500' and was loafing along at 130Kts (I'm tired of landing "too hot" then trying to "force" the plane down, only to stall and crash.. They need to teach this stuff somewhere:isadizzy
Wheels Stopped at 1433.. At first, the Duenna kept running.. I'm thinking "Oh Crap.. Something glitched".. But the Duenna Went Green, that's all I care about..
Officially, I've flown 4538nm in this event, this does not count the "practice flights", the "reflights", the flights where the other computer "crashed" two and a half hours into the flight.. I don't know how some of you folks can fly this event "Iron Butt Solo".. but my hat is off to you.. ALL of you.. Pilots, staff, support groups, the event hosts, SOH, the judges, Srgalahad Rob, and too many others to mention, Y'all have done a helluva job to put on this show!!
Anyway, I put what was left of the Boeing B-247D in a hanger at YBCV, I locked the doors and gave the key to some youngster (a twenty-something) who looked interested in flying.. I told him "Have Fun".. and I walked away..
It's been fun guys.. Maybe I'll recover in time for next years event...

 

[salt_air]

Whew!!

Fine Job Charles!,

I won't even try to quote any of this, but I'll speak to a couple of points.

All your hard work and embarrassment and most of all your ability to stick to it are greatly appreciated and shouldn't go without notice. Thanks for everything you've done towards the team's effort! I feel sure everyone will be glad to see you back at any future event.

Fantastic PIREPs too, by the way, a lot of detail and still able to manage some color here and there,,,,very good!

Yes, this is the best bunch online for this sort of event. Their hospitality, knowledge, work ethics, creativity, fun spirit, and their promotion of camaraderie across all websites is a solid contribution they continue to make to the community and it goes unmatched in my opinion.

Now on with the show.....talked to Red this weekend and now with your input here, I'll take the plane to Melbourne later this week. I'll be checking the weather for the best window and I'll send you and Red an email invite to be present for the landing. You'll get a time and date for the takeoff and for the landing as well, so you can make your plans.

Nice job ,,,,way to go!

Oh yeah,,,,could you get us one of those beer wagons srgalahad was describing? ...Just set in the back of the plane ,,,I'll handle the rest.

Cheers,