The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[srgalahad]

There is some similarity to this - the "Bumble Bee" racer built by Otto (Wally's brother) Timm (c)1920.
http://www.earlyaviators.com/etimm.htm

 

[Moses03]

Better photos of the C-1. Differs a bit though.

http://all-aero.com/index.php/contactus/54-planes-p-q-e-r-s/7567-pacific-airplane-a-supply-co-c-1

I found reference to an air meet at Long Beach circa 1921. Maybe the mystery monoplane was involved there?

 

[giruXX]

does anybody here have an idea about this mystery aircraft?
The picture is said to be a barn find.

 

[fabulousfour]

No luck here, Uli

Didn't find it in my files and a search in the www was fruitless as well.
All I can say is that because of the crosses on the wings the photo can't be from before the war but must be an early wartime photo.

Have you tried the theaerodrome forum?
There is quite an expertise over there regarding those early birds.

 

[Moses03]

Yes, the Aerodrome bunch is a good place to check.

I wonder if it is something captured?

 

[giruXX]

what puzzles me is the pioneer-aircraft-like appearance, as if it were pre-1914

I’ve checked all Breguet’s Aircraft Challenges already in vain.

 

[fabulousfour]

Now, e.g. Doves/Tauben which are undoubtedly pre-war aircraft definitely saw action in the early stages of the war.
I would show the photo in the aerodrome forum, perhaps somebody over there knows the type an it hasn't been a Breguet Challenge.

Maybe Kevin is right and that is not a German design.

 

[Moses03]

Here is a thread worth investigating.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/early-german-projects-prototypes.22491/

 

[richard B]

I don't know the mysterious bird , but , as I saw the picture , I remembered this one showing the Grade Typ D and E at the ILA 1912 .

About later Grade designs (Kunstflug ED , Militär ED etc...), Bruno Lange writes for the last one :" Eindecker with 140 hp engine offered to the army , but for sure not built "

For sure ??? This could be the 1914 Grade design , but it's only a guess ...I still not know it .

 

[giruXX]

excellent ideas, mates!

Mystery solved: Grade Militäreindecker 1914 see http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showpost.php?p=746601&postcount=4

 

[giruXX]

I think we have OH.

How about this? (Here, I have nothing more but its name and the occasion of the photo)

 

[cthornburg]

Grade Info:

Grober Rumpfeindecker, 1912 24/36hp Grade engine
Type B Military Type, 1912 110hp Cirade engine
Renneindecker, 1914 60/100hp Gnome engine

So I assume the pics we have are of the later. I assume 2nd pix is the Type b Military type any of the first one?

Chris

 

[giruXX]

it should be this:

Militäreindecker, 52 kW(70 PS)-Gnôme-Motor. Mit zweisitziger Gondel, Baujahr 1914, die Militärbehörde lehnte ihn ab. Spannweite 10 m, V[SUB]max[/SUB] 100 km/h.

pictures: http://www.airwar.ru/enc/law1/grade2.html

 

[giruXX]

The actual mystery plane flew over a long distance to another continent. I wonder whether the type given is correct because I couldn’t find any other trace of it so far.

 

[fabulousfour]

That plane rings a bell, I think I've seen that kite before but I can't remember what or where.

Is that a Pobjoy in the front, Uli?

 

[giruXX]

no info about the engine

 

[fabulousfour]

I think I have it.

Maybe a Wood Skypup?

https://alchetron.com/Wood-Sky-Pup

 

[giruXX]

I agree Googling for "SKYPUP microlight aircraft" shows many more.
The one I found first flew from Kenilworth, UK to Muizenberg, South Africa to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the first airmail delivery on the continent!
I specialty of the bird is its ultra-light and -cheap construction from foam and wood.

 

[fabulousfour]

Let's try this twin.

 

[Moses03]

Going with the Caproni 122.