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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

'Ugly Trend: Too Many Arguments & Too Little Fun'

Panther_99FS said:
Yes,
I've been away from simming for about 2.5 years but I do pop my head in from time-to-time. And what I've seen is disturbing & depressing. It appears to me that the days of camaraderie & fun simming are gone. What's replaced them are ugly wars in words & lack of respect.

Remember, we all got into this because of the pure fun of it - let's not forget our roots (remember those days) and get back to the pure fun of flight simming. :mixedsmi:
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Sadly, ignorant pond scum do walk this earth. We have a choice to make; let them bully and push us into acting like them or the way they want us to act, or tell them to take a long walk off a short bridge, ignore them, and keep our hobby and friendships strong. If they think that someone has done a bad job on a project, the logical thing to do would be to learn to build and help them fix the problem instead of mouthing off and throwing insults.

I have seen, on a couple of occasions, people mouthing off that 'so and so screwed up his build of this airplane'. After researching the real aircraft, which Captain Thoughtprocess should have done, I found that the 'flaw' was a part of the real aircraft and had been modelled perfectly. If someone is going to point out a sopposed flaw, they should know what they are talking about before they open their mouth.

I admit it, I don't know how to build aircraft, how to build panels, or do repaints. For those reasons, I do not criticise anyone's work because I do not feel qualified to do that. Period. If anyone would like to help me learn, I would love it! I have a lot of respect for the modellers, panel builders, repainters, etc. They spend a lot of their time doing what they love to do, then release it so we can enjoy their work, too.

Ok, I'll shut up now...
 
pilottj said:
You guys do have it pretty good here, I am a trekkie but I don't hang around trekkie forums really. I spent about two months trying out star trek online. I would go on to their forums to check on game updates, hints and so on. Those folks argue about anything and everything...they would probably argue about the color of the cupholders in the captain's ready room if they could. As a consequence their forums are so heavily moderated. It's like they have PG lawyers looking over their shoulders or somthing. Ironic that Star Trek itself was famous for finding creative ways to 'express' itself around the censors. I got a warning from their moderators for making a joke about the planet Uranus. Somthing about my ship being from the shipyards orbiting U.... A somewhat hostile place. So yes it is very peaceful here by comparison. :)
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This has been my exact experience. There's a vocal and hyper-vigilant minority of Trek fans who think they're the monks from The Name of the Rose, protecting the "purity" of "canon". I love Star Trek, but let's not get it twisted.

Apart from the occasional dust-up, I personally find SOH very civil. I'm used to being called all kinds of filth online. The anonymity of a webname gives a certain personality type delusions of grandeur. I'm an egomaniac myself, and can smell my own kind.

JAMES
 
Panther,

Although I mostly limit myself to the CFS2 Forum, I have never really seen a cross word anywhere there. I believe the majority of the SOH community is above this kind of childish nonesense and cooler heads will prevail. As the old saying goes about a few bad apples... I remember the last days of the old MSN Gaming Zone and how CFS1 got there, talk about nothing but chat queens (as we called them), modders and cheats!! Gamers who had no passion for flying or WWII aircraft, just winning dogfights at any cost even if it meant cheating then bragging in the main lobby about how they easily handled us old timers. Then, years after my last online flights I found this website. What a breath of fresh air blowing back into my simpit! Helpful freindly people who shared my passion not only for WWII aircraft but flying in general. As for any arguments here, I say let it go. There are far more reasons to stay.
 
Just to add a "little & stupid" bad thing.
Yesterday i shared here an FSX Video i published on Youtube.
The second message i got on YT was very very bad, not about the video itself, but about the choice of the F-15 I made.
Boh, I really do not understand.
 
robertorizzo said:
Just to add a "little & stupid" bad thing.
Yesterday i shared here an FSX Video i published on Youtube.
The second message i got on YT was very very bad, not about the video itself, but about the choice of the F-15 I made.
Boh, I really do not understand.
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Hmmm, sounds like the Diego connection......you could always keep the mods posted here via PM of the screen name and see if they rear their ignorance on here. Just my .02. Screen name Mr. Eagle Freak...must be a real Eagle driver...it never ends.

Matt
 
robertorizzo said:
Just to add a "little & stupid" bad thing.
Yesterday i shared here an FSX Video i published on Youtube.
The second message i got on YT was very very bad, not about the video itself, but about the choice of the F-15 I made.
Boh, I really do not understand.
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Liked your video, thought it well done.

Matt
 
i'll say this in this thread so as not to clutter the other one .. but lets face facts, it takes 2 people to make an argument. 2 badly put (put in my mind, right) posts turns an entire thread into an argument due to everyone jumping on the outrage bus and wanting blood, its not really needed, just ignore the bad ones and carry one. You dont need 50 posts saying how its not nice to say bad things etc etc etc. Just saying.
 
Alright, I'm going to get myself in a bit of hot water, but I'll try to make it a bit concise. Regarding the comments made on the video.... unfortunately on YouTube, that is simply the trend of things. In all of the videos I have made, I have literally had THOUSANDS of negative comments about products, style, whatever. When I first started making videos I found it very offensive. Generally I would make a poignant comeback and then lock them from my channel. Interestingly enough, I don't seem to get quite as much negative comments as I used to, or they don't bother me as much. I'm not sure honestly. Either way, if a comment bothers me, I generally don't respond anymore, as the community will usually take care of it for me. If it REALLY bothers me, I will delete it and block the offender. When people post information to illegally share the files for commercial work I do they immediately become blocked and the comment is removed, no questions asked. After over three million views on all my videos, and probably about a million or so of comments over all the years, I just don't focus on all the negativity anymore. To this day I have people subscribed to me that catch when I release a video just to rate it down. OH WELL, the world still spins.

Regarding comments made here on SOH, well.... as I said, that is one reason I tend to keep quiet. There are a small select set of people who are quite boisterous with their opinion, and they are quite loud in making sure everyone hears it. I sometimes find that the loudest people are the ones with the least to say. With that said however, developers I feel are sometimes playing the victim card and making themselves an even juicier target for said people. It's like high school, and all it's nonsense. If you show a bit of weakness, people will pick it out and make it into a huge deal. If developers simply said, "We'll look into it," or simply didn't reply at all to such negativity, I think they would get better results while denying said people the gratification of anger.
 
I understand your point Steve but actually I'm glad at the outrage...it told me that the members care about their forum and it made the staff realise that their unpaid work here is worthwhile with such a reaction from the majority.
 
It is true, and unfortunate that we have had a trend recently of arguing here at SOH. I have had no stake in these disagreements, so I have been casually observing from the outside. One thing I will say is that I still feel that the people here, the community here is one of the best. I am dissappointed that people have felt the need to leave the forum because of these arguments. Though I understand the motivations, it is very sad to see these individuals leave. I do think that if people out and quit, they are letting the people who are criticising/ causing the arguments win. Those people are not leaving at the same rate, and the more calm people that leave and are not here to conduct civil discussion, the louder the critics will be...

jp
 
There is no excuse for bad behavior. If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing. If it really has to be said, your say it in private. Only the boorish critic winds up looking bad. Does not some one here have a tagline from Winston Churchill, and I paraphrase "though you may have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite". Unfortunately, bad behavior is a problem not endemic to SOH. It is a growing trend in at least Southern California, Inland Empire. I can say that, as that is where I live. We ,as a people, are moving away from civility. It is unfortunate. Luckily some of the best people out there are members of SOH. Also my opinion.

Daniel
 
Daniel, I strongly concur with your statements, especially the latter ones about the growing trend. I'll throw my own generation under the bus and proclaim that a lot of it is coming from them. This "instant gratification" generation business is starting to get old, and that is where a lot of it is coming from. We spend our lives buried in cell phones and online and it seems we are slowly unlearning social etiquette.

Right then. I just had a personal vetting that felt rather nice. This sinus infection has made me rather rude. I'm off to go watch some more of my favorite show and take down some soup, which sounds absolutely amazing.
 
Yeah, Cody, I agree with you pretty much 100%. Kids these days... Thought I'd never say that in my quick and mere 26 years. LOL :ernae: It's true though; people are becoming increasingly self serving, more than anytime in the past. All people seem to care about is what's best for them, and how to get that as quickly as possible. Manners and etiquette and tact seem to have gone right out some proverbial window.

It is ok to voice your concerns or even your upset as a grievance with a company that you've handed money to. However, in elementary school when teaching us to write request letters, they taught us that, even though you may be upset or angry over something, it's always easier to get what you want if you act with courtesy and make a request vs. simply yelling at or demanding something from the company.

Some buyers will retort with "I paid my hard earned money for this, and it should be without these little glitches", or whatever. Hey, the company may have to go through some teething themselves to get it right. I've always found that dealing with any company or group, using respect and genuine tact (Not politics or deception, look these words up) has almost always gotten me what I was looking for.

At the same time, I've always been a bit of an altruist; I've spent years of my short little life helping and caring for others, so maybe I'm a bit old fashioned. It would just be nice if we could all give a damn about each other again. :) :ernae:
 
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