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I kinda like the BAE scheme, SteveB. Even tho the Fishbed never wore those colors. Got all your repaints :medals: so far, lots of MiG-21's in my hangars now.

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Blackbird686 said:
I kinda like the BAE scheme, SteveB. Even tho the Fishbed never wore those colors. Got all your repaints :medals: so far, lots of MiG-21's in my hangars now.

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Glad you like them, there's more underway yet too be completed, the BAE scheme is a just for fun and because I like the colour scheme also I needed a break from drab cammo colours :icon_lol:.


Steve
 
Heres a very early WIP of the Egyptian cammo in exersize markings, lots of cammo still to play with.
 
Very nice plane but I keep running out of gas with this plane everytime I fly it. It never fails. And because it glides like a lead sled, so far I never have been able to glide to the nearest airport.

Going to have to learn to keep a sharp eye on that gas handle with this one.
 
I know what you mean. Bear Studios' MiG-15 and MiG-17 are both the same way. LOTS of fun to fly, but not much time in the air. The MiG-21MF (or any other MiG-21) never has had long legs, being a very fast point-defense interceptor. A couple of them (at least) were lost over North Viet Nam because the American pilots engaging them ran them out of gas. That was why ground-controlled-intercept (GCI) was so important to the North Vietnamese Air Force - they didn't have much time at all to loiter or be looking for American aircraft - it was essential to be steered to a favorable intercept point for one quick attack, then a break-away - or else to be quickly steered to a sanctuary airfield in southern China. Having an interest in old Soviet technology, I've followed the MiG-21's story for a while - it's an attractive airplane. I've downloaded it, but haven't flown it yet. If you're a little short of gas after what seems to be not much time in the air, then it sounds like the aircraft's modeling is pretty accurate.

There was a two-seat training variant of the MiG-21 as well. Maybe if we're lucky that will eventually be modeled as part of the series. The Soviets almost always built two-seat training variants of their fighters for instructional purposes. If you think this model of the -21 has short legs, consider this - the -21 trainer's second cockpit took up the space normally (at least partially) occupied by one of the aircraft's fuel tanks, giving it even less range than the single-seat variant. Makes you wonder how much you can learn with such a short training flight. The learning curve in the Soviet Air Force must have been steep indeed!
 
Have you not looked at the capt sim MiG21 Mogul, it may be 9+ years old but it still more than holds it's own today. Back too the MF, should have this one done and ready for the next weekend along with a couple of others that just need a few bits doing too them.
 
Mogul download

Steve just visited the Capt and downloaded the aircraft - will install in a little while then take it for a spin. I always try to fly the trainer version of something first before the service version. Let's see how this thing does.

BTW when visiting the CS site I noted a number of "free liveries" available through that site. After clicking around a little I was able to find the liveries section; however, clicking on quite a few of those resulted in an "Error 404" msg. I noted they were all at FlightSim. I then visited FS and tried inputting "MiG-21UM" and "Mogul" in the search box. I scored on a few but there are still a lot I'm not able to reach.
 
IAF aerobatic colors

Steve I also remembered seeing a few profile illustrations of MiG-21s in Indian AF markings that were very exotic-looking, some with what appeared to be tiger-stripes on the fuselage and wings (looked like dark sea grey over natural metal), plus their aerobatic display team had some truly astounding liveries in the past, some with saffron colors and at least one that had parts of the aircraft painted in what seemed to be chartreuse (?!) along with other colors - very eye catching indeed. Have you seen any of these?
 
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Steve I also remembered seeing a few profile illustrations of MiG-21s in Indian AF markings that were very exotic-looking, some with what appeared to be tiger-stripes on the fuselage and wings (looked like dark sea grey over natural metal), plus their aerobatic display team had some truly astounding liveries in the past, some with saffron colors and at least one that had parts of the aircraft painted in what seemed to be chartreuse (?!) along with other colors - very eye catching indeed. Have you seen any of these?
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Check out flightsim and avsim there are a lot of schemes out there for the C.S. mogul. I have a few Indian bare metal with high vis markings planned but was waiting for the full release of the MF pack.
 
SSI01 said:
I know what you mean. Bear Studios' MiG-15 and MiG-17 are both the same way. LOTS of fun to fly, but not much time in the air. The MiG-21MF (or any other MiG-21) never has had long legs, being a very fast point-defense interceptor. A couple of them (at least) were lost over North Viet Nam because the American pilots engaging them ran them out of gas. That was why ground-controlled-intercept (GCI) was so important to the North Vietnamese Air Force - they didn't have much time at all to loiter or be looking for American aircraft - it was essential to be steered to a favorable intercept point for one quick attack, then a break-away - or else to be quickly steered to a sanctuary airfield in southern China. Having an interest in old Soviet technology, I've followed the MiG-21's story for a while - it's an attractive airplane. I've downloaded it, but haven't flown it yet. If you're a little short of gas after what seems to be not much time in the air, then it sounds like the aircraft's modeling is pretty accurate.

There was a two-seat training variant of the MiG-21 as well. Maybe if we're lucky that will eventually be modeled as part of the series. The Soviets almost always built two-seat training variants of their fighters for instructional purposes. If you think this model of the -21 has short legs, consider this - the -21 trainer's second cockpit took up the space normally (at least partially) occupied by one of the aircraft's fuel tanks, giving it even less range than the single-seat variant. Makes you wonder how much you can learn with such a short training flight. The learning curve in the Soviet Air Force must have been steep indeed!
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It's a very nice model and it must be fairly accurate on the fuel burn. Of coarse it hard not to take it to altitude and not run full boar with the afterburner on. Seems like about 30 or 40 minutes with AB and the rides over. lol!

Like those new paints Steve just come out with. One with the orange on it. Nice!
 
I have 5 schemes which should be completed and uploaded in a couple of days. East German, Egyptian, fictional BAE, Finland and Polish 09.
 
Very nice colour scheme on the Egyptian MiG, Steve. Not so sure where I'm going to put all these newly painted Fishbeds, I'm running out of hangar space! LOL!! (just sayin, but keep them comming!)

As far as endurance, I seem to be able to coax the Capn' Sim MiG-21UM along for a considerable time, as long as I don't light the can too much. Those full AB take-offs and near vertical climb-outs will drain your tanks very quickly. Irregardless of which version you're flying. :isadizzy:

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FS9 version?

I tried to run this in FS9 but the sim won't accept the model in the aircraft's folder . . .
 
Be sure you download the model by Flusirainer, there is an FSX model out there as well but it WON'T work in FS9. I believe the MiG-21MF is here in the SOH library. Just search "Flusirainer" and you should see it. It's also available at Avsim.rus.

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MiG-21FM download

SteveB said:
Heres a shot of the Polish 09 scheme, still got some edges to tweak and the fuel tanks to paint.

The correct model is fourth down on the page. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?s=&catid=6&keyid=&nameid=&page=1&pp=15&sort=d



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Thanks for the steer, Steve - just finished downloading the base model, will install and take a test hop, then go hunting the textures out there.

Phantom X1 - Re your experiences w/the MiG and flight endurance - it's exactly right not to light the can any more than you have to. Another thing to remember is jet turbine engines run more efficiently, at least regarding fuel burn, if they are run in thinner air, with or without the burner - so be sure to stay above about 14,000 or so feet, at a relatively high subsonic speed, if you plan on being airborne for a while. There is a point, however, where jet engines run less efficiently and that is in very thin air. I think non-afterburning turbofans start to lose efficiency around 28,000 to 30,000 feet - I suspect regular turbojets can go a little higher as they don't depend on the bypass air like a turbofan does, they compress and ignite every air molecule going down that intake throat - yet they have their altitude limitations, too. Try Googling or Bing-ing "MiG-21 flight characteristics" to see what comes up.
 
I have decided to hold off uploading anything for a couple more days due too me spending all last night refurbing the detail on the layered masters , and all these new rivets and things now need refitting too all my underway schemes. I have a Air Superiority grey LsK scheme now finnished. I also attatch a couple of shots of a bare metal skin I have been working on, the decals are only on it to stop me going grey scale blind :icon_lol: . I just hope that the final version has a model that has reflections turned on for alpha channels so I can use it to put a bit of life into the metal.
 
Outside of the camouflaged Indian MiG/Hindustan -21s, IMHO the all-natural-metal Soviet birds are the sharpest looking. A very nice contrast between the red insignia and various number colors and the bright metal background. Looking forward to the results.
 
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