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Virtavia E-2C Released

jmbiii said:
Nope, you're not the only one. I'm not even interested in going to steam.
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I have an extensive FSX install on my HD and am now almost all converted to P3D. Steam isnt even on the radar.

Too bad. this is a nice bird and I like Virtavia stuff. Not too complex, but fun to fly.
 
Wingmate said:
Are the textures set up to allow some of the more fancy looking E-2 paints? i.e. top of the Radome non mirrored fuselage?

I will definitely be picking this up when I have the money.
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You never know about textures being able to handle the more complex schemes until you try it.
DTG didn't even want "NAVY" or stars-n-bars.

This one has no mirroring. It is very traditional so should pose no issues. Based on the panel
line layers of the paint kit there is no weird bending going on. Very straight forward.
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fsafranek said:
Entire range? Not hardly.
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I've seen about a dozen models while skimming through the Steam store, so I assumed that you guys went all out.


Anyway, let's see how this all turns out.
FSXSE was a godsend for me. No more dealing with the stupid activation at MS' telephone hotlines. And since I use Steam for other sims and games anyway, I'm already used to having to start applications from the client.
 
OK, so my apologies to all. Apparently DTG did put in some sort of encryption so that it will only work on their Steam version of FSX.
I really thought that since the beta copy worked in all that the final release would as well. I'll go back to the paint booth now.
:ernaehrung004:
 
Okay, so I jumped through the hoops and got FSX Steam and the E-2 to the tune of a total of $27 and some change. As I already suspected, my well tuned FSXA setup runs as good or better than the Steam version even after I got everything set up. From various accounts (from different users), that is precisely why I had no desire to fix what was already running perfectly on my system. To be clear, I do no desire moving everything I have in FSXA to FSX Steam just to get use of one model. It was only $7.49 so it's not a big deal but with the E-2 on the other hand, I found an obvious bug with it immediately, the aileron animations are backwards. How in the world did this get missed in alpha and beta testing? The lack of markings and more detail/tuning on the textures seriously degrades the model. The sound set is way off the mark which at the current level of capability that exists in the FSX/P3D community, that is a glaring omission that should have been worked on with greater detail. Last but not least, one of the above posters noted that DTG/Steam DRM won't allow the model to be cross-transferred/copied over to FSX-A or P3D. He was correct on that as I tried the model in FSXA and the model will not display. So in general, I just wasted $19.99 (plus $7.49) on a model I will never get use of. If I could get a refund, I would but I'm not going to worry with it.

Virtavia, owning models you guys have turned out over the years including current ones, this model IMO is clearly a step backwards, it is more or less incomplete. I understand that the markings issue(and perhaps other issues) was not your call but I fall back to the original business decision in how this model was marketed. This BTW is not a personal attack on you guys, I am being critical (objectively) for good reason so hopefully decisions can and will be made that will help to better suit the user base and perhaps get you guys to examine the final processes of turning out models (bug fixing, enhancement of various details, etc).

All of this is also making me have second thoughts about investing into DTG's future sim which makes me more inclined to now lean towards P3Dv3 or wait for the 64but version of it. Besides, I am becoming more deeply involved in DCS now in terms of high performance military type models.
 
Hi! In fact you can get a refund for all itens you buy in Steam. Here is a step by step if you want to go that path: (Easy and painless)
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/

I only bought one model thru Steam some time ago, the Aerosoft f16. And i regret doing that because i got only the model without any markings. No more addons thru Steam from me.:encouragement:
 
Not too impressed with the textures shown in the screenshots.

Supposed to be HD, but not really believing that based on the pics provided on the Virtavia website.
 
flaviossa said:
Hi! In fact you can get a refund for all itens you buy in Steam. Here is a step by step if you want to go that path: (Easy and painless)
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/

I only bought one model thru Steam some time ago, the Aerosoft f16. And i regret doing that because i got only the model without any markings. No more addons thru Steam from me.:encouragement:
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Thanks for the help flaviossa, I submitted a refund request and had already deleted all the content from my system. Prior to this I have only requested one refund for an FSX product in all the years I have used Microsoft Flight Simulator and in that case, the model simply would not work.

I digress, perhaps I have come off as a bit too disappointed on how things turned out on this model and if I ruffled any feathers, it was not my intent and I leave it with my apology.
 
I have an issue that makes the model almost unflyable. I experienced this before, but certainly not this exrtreme. Changing views I get this in the VC for 53 seconds! :dizzy::gameoff:I like to to fly, I'm not in for Russian roulette! :biggrin-new: Furthermore: my saitek system is not working with this one. That means I have to mouse control all switches, but I can live with that.

:untroubled:

Cees

Edit: I asked for a refund.........
 

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It's not the additional money outlay, it's the time involved that makes this development such a turn off. Having to move everything - add on scenery (FTX Global/Vector?), simobjects, AI set ups, etc etc - I just don't have the time to do that for more or less a sim that's the same as what I already have. Fragmenting/segmenting FSX add ons - making them "exclusive" - so they are not universally useable in the traditional cd version (and Prep3D) is NOT the way to go.
 
I purchased the E-2C after reading the first few posts in this thread. First off... I'm a bit puzzled as to why DTG specified a "bare naked" paint job with no markings but I'm sure that will be fixed in the next few days after some of you artists get your paint brushes out. The ailerons are animated opposite from the control input, I like to think that will be fixed with an updated .mdl file. That just leaves me with one question: Does the radome rotate??? Even the Abacus E-2C's radome rotates and that's a nice realism feature, especially for squadrons like the "Screwtops" of VAW-123 with their distinctive spiral radome paint job.
 
Look for "Groom Lake Simulations" on Facebook. These guys are already working on at least one US navy repaint.

And while you are there, check for their other repaints in their Photo album. Look for the Album called "Download". You can find some surprises in there.

Cheers,
Randy
 
Cees Donker said:
I have an issue that makes the model almost unflyable. I experienced this before, but certainly not this exrtreme. Changing views I get this in the VC for 53 seconds! :dizzy::gameoff:I like to to fly, I'm not in for Russian roulette! :biggrin-new: Furthermore: my saitek system is not working with this one. That means I have to mouse control all switches, but I can live with that.

:untroubled:

Cees

Edit: I asked for a refund.........
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But I didn't get it!
Beware: this is a framerate hog! Unplayable. Not worth your money.
 
I am surprised that something like this was done. I have a lot of products from Virtavia. At best they are always lite and simple on systems. This is okay because not every Flight Simmer has a desire for study-sim aircraft. However, Virtavia didn't just show up in 2016 producing junk so I wonder what changed. I watched preview of X-Plane 11 and believe my worries of FSX performance will start to become a thing of the past.
 
Cees Donker said:
But I didn't get it!
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Are you saying you did not get your refund yet? I received notice that they received my request but they have not sent any new notification yet regarding the refund. I assume they will process the request at the beginning of the week and then advise me by email.
 
No, they refused. On the ground that I used it for more than two hours. Playing in the sim, wether it's with that plane or another, with the Dovetail plane on your account, counts as used time.

Cees
 
Cees Donker said:
No, they refused. On the ground that I used it for more than two hours. Playing in the sim, wether it's with that plane or another, with the Dovetail plane on your account, counts as used time.

Cees
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So far they have not given me an answer. I used both the sim and model less than five minutes. If I were you, I would make a dispute on the purchase with your credit card bank (or whichever method you used). If they refuse me a refund, that is exactly what I am going to do as the software is flawed and unusable.
 
Cees Donker said:
No, they refused. On the ground that I used it for more than two hours. Playing in the sim, wether it's with that plane or another, with the Dovetail plane on your account, counts as used time.

Cees
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Well that seals it for me, at least with most traditional sellers they can offer up to 30 days post purchase for a refund,

Im just sticking with P3D, as steam and DTG can go ....................
 
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One thing I do not and never will, understand is why people get so hot under the collar over what is somebody else's private business decision. If a game maker bought the exclusive rights for this product say for $500,000 would that be a "bad"move? For heaven's sake people just chill. If you don't want to play the game on Steam, fine, don't.

The crap we received from people over the Aztec was to be seen to be believed. The dust settled and all is now normal again. Apparently we were going to go out of business - "a suicidal business decision" was one comment.We actually increased our brand-awareness by a considerable margin.:biggrin-new:

As far as I understand from our experience, licensing will be the reason for not having liveries. The bigger you get as a business the larger a target you become for litigious lawyers holed up in corporate towers. That includes the armed forces. Trust me, we know.:engel016:
 
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