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What makes a person snap like this>> 12 killed, 31 wounded

The US had uncovered such a plot like this at another base before it happened. This time, they didnt catch it in time.

The man was giving away all his things before he left. He knew what he was doing. This was his one way trip to martyrdom to collect his 50 virgins in 'h-e-double-toothpicks'.

The muslum extremists have been plotting an attack like this for perhaps 2 years now, perhaps more, hitting a military base directly on American soil. Its just now happened.


The scary part for the bad guy is he didnt die. heh...


Feng, I wouldnt blame us for this. I would blame the guy holding the gun.


10 years ago, we would have never thought that the middle east would become a world melting pot of terror and war and a focus point that would lead to economic breakdown. All born from hatred. 'murder your neighbor'..

I wish we found a fuel source that didnt need oil and was everywhere, like water.. Then we could walk away from those countries totally.


Bill

Sunlight has the greatest potential of any power source to solve the world's energy problems. In one hour, enough sunlight strikes the Earth to provide the entire planet's energy needs for one year.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
 
none of this craziness is about oil.
we all know that isolationist foreign policies don't work. look what happened with ww2 because we stayed out of it as long as we did.

i reccomend people read 3 books for a good perspective on the current middle eastern craziness:

1) On wings of eagles - tells the story of ross perot's rescue of 2 e.d.s. executives from iran when they ousted the shah and decided not to pay for the social security system e.d.s. set up for them. our government did not help at all.

2) HOSTAGE my nightmare in beirut - david jacobsen's account of his captivity in beirut during the hostage crisis in lebanon in the 80's.
was captured by hezbolah

3) Den of lions - terry anderson's account of his captivity during the hostage crisis in lebanon. also captured by hezbola

interesting to note who hezbola's biggest supporter is....iran.
see the pattern emerging here?
 
Anyone ever considered that it may have had to do with this guy's job as a military psychiatrist?

Normal psychiatrists don't have the easiest jobs, acting as emotional dumps for everyone. Now add blood, bodies and lead and you'll get a nice poisonous mixture that makes it easy to erase the line between job and private life. Do that a few years and you'll snap like a match between fingers and your cry for help becomes a shootout with the rest of the world.

Tl;dr, not really an act of terrorism and condolences to the victims.


And actually, Islam is a pretty cool and normal religion. But as usually, there's people out there taking it way too seriously and/or using it as a cover for their motives, whatever they may be. Don't worry though, Islam isn't the only religion with that problem though. Christianity was pretty popular as a cover for serveral large military campaigns in the Middle East a few hundred years ago.
 
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What is challenging here to keep in mind & heart is that this act of senseless slaughter does not arise
from Islam. Islam does not sanction the taking of inocent life & doing so is, in fact, a sacrilege to the faith.

This was an act of illness.
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What is challenging here to keep in mind & heart is that this act of senseless slaughter does not arise
from Islam. Islam does not sanction the taking of inocent life & doing so is, in fact, a sacrilege to the faith.

This was an act of illness.
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Major Hasan's Hidden Militancy

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Asra Q. Nomani is the author of Standing Alone: An American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam. She is co-director of the Pearl Project, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women’s rights at her mosque in West Virginia is the subject of a PBS documentary, The Mosque in Morgantown. She can be found on Facebook, and reached at asra@asranomani.com







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AP Photo The alleged Fort Hood gunman had revealed a hard-line Islamist streak to acquaintances in the Muslim Community Center that he made his mosque. The Daily Beast's Asra Q. Nomani reports.

Not long ago, inside the quiet library of the Muslim Community Center here in Silver Spring, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C., Golam Akhter, a local Bangladeshi-American civil engineer, 67, got into a fierce debate with a young Muslim doctor over how to interpret the concept of “jihad” within Islam. Akhter argued, “Jihad means an inner struggle, fighting against corruption and injustice.”
The young doctor responded. “That’s not a correct interpretation. Jihad means holy war. When your religion isn’t safe, you have to fight for it. If someone attacks you, you must fight them. That is jihad. You can kill someone who is harming you.”
A closer look reveals a complex picture of a young first-generation American Muslim man living a life of dissonance between his identity as an American and his ideology as a Muslim who had accepted a literal, rigid interpretation of Islam.​
The conversation would be just another theological debate, interesting but irrelevant, except that the doctor was Maj. Nidal Hasan, 39, the gunman in the tragic Fort Hood rampage. After being posted to Walter Reed Hospital as a psychiatrist, Hasan called the Muslim Community Center his local mosque. It’s just a short drive away from Walter Reed.
In interviews with the media, leaders of the Muslim Community Center have painted a portrait of Hasan as a quiet, unassuming Muslim more interested in finding a wife than debating world politics. They express shock at his killing spree and, appropriately, condemn it. But a closer look behind the doors of the mosque and inside the conversations between the engineer and the doctor reveal a more complex picture of a young first-generation American Muslim man living a life of dissonance between his identity as an American and his ideology as a Muslim who had accepted a literal, rigid interpretation of Islam, akin to the puritanical Wahhabi and Salafi interpretations of Islam that define the theology of militancy inside the Muslim world today, according to community members who knew Hasan.
“So many time I talked with him,” said Akhter, a community leader who is sort of like a mosque gadfly, challenging congregants to reject literal, rigid interpretations of Islam. “I was trying to modernize him. I tried my best. He used to hate America as a whole. He was more anti-American than American.”
Despite all the conversations, Akther said, “I couldn’t get through to him. He was a typical fundamentalist Muslim.”
It wasn’t a label assigned lightly. Rather, it emerged after many one-on-one conservations between the engineer and the doctor in quiet spots from the library to the lobby to the prayer hall, discussing issues of interpretation like jihad, polygamy, assimilation, foreign policy, and the cutting of hands for theft. Other members of the community confirm this portrait of Hasan.
The story of Hasan at his local mosque is a cautionary tale to all Muslim communities about the consequences when we fail to win the war of ideas in the Muslim world with moderate interpretation of Islam over rigid, literal interpretations. Part of the problem is that many Muslims are clinging to the notion of an “ummah,” or “community,” with a capital “U,” a view that inhibits dissent and encourages blind loyalty to a global Islam.

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Anyone ever considered that it may have had to do with this guy's job as a military psychiatrist?

Normal psychiatrists don't have the easiest jobs, acting as emotional dumps for everyone. Now add blood, bodies and lead and you'll get a nice poisonous mixture that makes it easy to erase the line between job and private life. Do that a few years and you'll snap like a match between fingers and your cry for help becomes a shootout with the rest of the world.

Tl;dr, not really an act of terrorism and condolences to the victims.


And actually, Islam is a pretty cool and normal religion. But as usually, there's people out there taking it way too seriously and/or using it as a cover for their motives, whatever they may be. Don't worry though, Islam isn't the only religion with that problem though. Christianity was pretty popular as a cover for serveral large military campaigns in the Middle East a few hundred years ago.

it was most definitely about islam:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting

and as for the mention of christianity, your right.
the crusades started in in 1095 and lasted 200 years. that was nearly a millenium ago. you could mention the inquisition (late 1400's) that was 500+ years ago. then there's the salem witch trials, nearly 300 years ago.
got anything a little more recent? islam is in jihad right now, today, this minute. they will bring their holy war to you. no need to make any changes, just keep believing as you currently do.
 
texnetcop: This is a very interesting story indeed . It sheds a little more understanding into this man's life . I applaud all the previous threads that better explains some of the various religious beliefs and doctrine so that this "Old" SE Ohio hillbilly can better understand what's going on . IMHO this man's superiors probably could have done a much better job watching over , screening or whatever they had to do . I love the military but when you take an oath: (" to defend the Constitution , and against all enemies Domestic and Foreign etc") you obey it . I didn't particularly like the idea of going to Vietnam but was ordered to and did so . Now that I'm older(Much) I realize what a huge mistake it turned out to be but it certainly does not minimize what 55,000 men and women did in making the Surpreme Sacrifice for their country . My opinion of this man is about as low as it possibly could be . I am ceratinly willing to wait untill a full investigation is completed but as someone previously mentioned , we all better wake up , "There is a movement from within" and we as a nation and the entire world better get a grasp on it and hopefully find a solution to solve it or this sort of thing will continue to happen unfortuately .

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Copy/paste away all you want, txnetcop. Have shared with you truth shared compassionately. Accept it, reject it... your call.

Am standing by the words posted earlier as well as the principles behind them.
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Thanks Ted for posting that and bringing the information to light.

Its a scary age we live in. So much has occurred in 10 years..


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and as for the mention of christianity, your right.
the crusades started in in 1095 and lasted 200 years. that was nearly a millenium ago. you could mention the inquisition (late 1400's) that was 500+ years ago. then there's the salem witch trials, nearly 300 years ago.

Don't forget this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

The Salem Witch Trials don't count, as they weren't related to (continental) Europe.

got anything a little more recent?

I don't, because fighting over religion has become a bit old-fashioned here ever since the age of enlightenment and the advent of humanism.

Ever since 1648, wars have been about more worldly things, like a hunderd years a go the cousin of an uncle of a prince of country A shagged the niece of a daughter of the queen of country B and thus the current king of country A has claims on a piece of land of country B and uses this to test out his new and shiny army.

Although this was just a minor trend (although "my family is cooler than your family" remained a minor cause for wars up until the Austro-Prussian war of 1866) as it all became about political influence after a while.

islam is in jihad right now, today, this minute. they will bring their holy war to you. no need to make any changes, just keep believing as you currently do.

Yeah yeah and I should certainly check every kebapI eat for C4 or a cyankali capsule...

Although the thought of an exploding kebap is boderline funny. Talk about dynamite taste. :icon_lol:

By the way: If you think Islam is such a threat, why don't you simply call out a crusade into the holy land? ;)

Jihad is simply used to draw the simpletons in to the cause and cover up more worldly motivations for their actions (financial ones, political ones, emotional ones). The crusades didn't do it much differently.
 
Bjoern not one person in here has suggested or stated that the whole of Islam is the problem here. Your remarks are uncalled for. Religious fanaticism itself is the cause. We know for a fact now that this Major we are discussing had made many fanatical statements. He was a tortured soul to be sure. However no more comments like yours will be tolerated. Go fight it out at Quarter Moon Saloon. If you want to supply newly or late breaking facts do so but your so-called history lesson lacks a lot of fact as well.
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Bjoern not one person in here has suggested or stated that the whole of Islam is the problem here. Your remarks are uncalled for. Religious fanaticism itself is the cause...

Well stated, thank you, Ted. Please, as offered before: go ahead & copy/paste away. The info is enlightening. All are free to accept, as with my contribution... from another tortured soul. Not a tortured soul as in a rigid religious fanatic, but as an artist. Real artists are tortured souls in that we are not ahead of our time. We are the time... they are the many that are behind the times.

Yes, indeed, that is quite an arrogant statement. Have never claimed to be a humble person, for to claim to be so is to have already lost it. And, as shared before, one can use a bit of arrogance to think they can paint the Grand Canyon.
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~ On The Edge Of Time ~
D.W. Walker
18" x 24", acrylic on panel, 1988

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If all warring factions could but simulataneously experience the intense awe & majesty of a Grand Canyon early morning vista for the first time, no wind, winged or aircraft sounds, in total & complete, stirring silence, then perhaps something truly miraculous would occur as the illusion of division could melt away into the knowing we all are from & in the same One. One people, one planet, one chance. The real enemy, imo, is darkness in all of its forms, be they Islamic, Jewish or Christian fundamentalism of the rigid variety. Fear is the enemy, not concern.

Thank you to people here now as with John, Wombat, Rami, djscoo, Ted, ChaCha, Dain Arns & others. We get it. Bring the truth through love out into the light, for truth without it is nothing.
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However no more comments like yours will be tolerated.

Fair enough.

Go fight it out at Quarter Moon Saloon.

Depends on how quickly the banhammer is swung around there.

If you want to supply newly or late breaking facts do so but your so-called history lesson lacks a lot of fact as well.

Can't see any flaws in my history lesson as it was just intended as kind of a summary about the various causes of the 340345934 armed conflicts we've had in this part of the planet.
 
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