Thanks from the info - the motorcyclist can be found here -its xp10 - the rear tyre blows if you wheelie though https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/profile/127203-jpb63/content/&type=downloads_file - also the cars the guy does have very little friction spin like crazy -a lot of his stuff could do with updating/modding and its french so one or two language difficulties but some cool stuff he's trying to do.Avroliner... does what I need it to and looks and sounds great. No complaints here.The Vulcan is the freeware one.Matt