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DC-4 Skymaster
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lagaffe
SOH-CM-2026
Yesterday I spent a few hours watching RonH’s videos about the migration of a 2020 plane to 2024: it made me want to try ...
I will move forward a little further on the main tasks that I have set for myself at the level of the DC-4, and I think I will take the plunge and port the DC-4/C-54 around 2024.
By any chance, and to judge the importance of this change in my workflow, are there still many people who only play with MSFS 2020?
I will move forward a little further on the main tasks that I have set for myself at the level of the DC-4, and I think I will take the plunge and port the DC-4/C-54 around 2024.
By any chance, and to judge the importance of this change in my workflow, are there still many people who only play with MSFS 2020?
I do!
Brian_Gladden
SOH-CM-2025
I'm still 2020 only. Does everything I want it to.
DennyA
SOH-CM-2023
I only use FS2024. Keep in mind this is the 2020 forum, so all the folks who chose to stay on the old sim are going to be reading and posting here; it’s not a representative sample.
A 2020 plane that’s 2024 compatible is going to have the widest audience, of course. But if you can use the improved flight models or other 2024 enhancements, I’d hate to miss that just to satisfy people who resist change.
And I‘m guessing many of the holdouts will cave as new 2020 add-on releases continue to dwindle. Got Friends and many other aircraft producers are going to 2024-only.
(Not a criticism of people who choose not to update; just pointing out this is a place where they hang out so you’ll get a sample of 2020 responses here that don’t match the market.)
A 2020 plane that’s 2024 compatible is going to have the widest audience, of course. But if you can use the improved flight models or other 2024 enhancements, I’d hate to miss that just to satisfy people who resist change.
And I‘m guessing many of the holdouts will cave as new 2020 add-on releases continue to dwindle. Got Friends and many other aircraft producers are going to 2024-only.
(Not a criticism of people who choose not to update; just pointing out this is a place where they hang out so you’ll get a sample of 2020 responses here that don’t match the market.)
I also use 2020 exclusively and develop scenery and scenery objects for it.
I am pretty satified with the setup I have, but after my current project I'll have a peek at 2024.
Cheers,
Mark
I am pretty satified with the setup I have, but after my current project I'll have a peek at 2024.
Cheers,
Mark
lagaffe
SOH-CM-2026
Isn’t the best way to know how many people are still using FS20 is to ask the question in a section dedicated to FS20? In any case, that’s how I saw it
Even 2 years after its release, I think that the number of users who switched to FS24 should not exceed 50% of MSFS users. For those using both simulators, this must be between 25 and 30%, the rest have abandoned FS20.
These are my estimates based on my readings on various forums and the feedback from my users; this data is not supported by official figures, I agree, but are there any official figures?
I have thoroughly studied my current workflow on FS20 and the one I should use to work on FS24, and my current way of developing allows me, in my opinion, to be much faster and more efficient, notably by using command line-based development and certain SDK tools, whereas FS24 forces developers to do almost everything with the launch simulator and via the graphical interface, which in my opinion is slower.
I understand that this process is highlighted by Asobo because it seems simpler to a neophyte and the trend of in recent years, it has always been to favor graphical interfaces or all-in-one tools, supposedly to make things easier for developers (beginners are of course targeted because they are the potential buyers). In any case, I do not completely share this opinion.
To resume, thank you for your feedback, I will continue working on the 2020 version until the v1.0 version, but at the same time I will prepare the transition, probably with the PBY-5.
News:
- I have already corrected a few details that some people reported, such as flickering issues in the cockpit, and others that I had noticed when testing myself.
- The two side consoles in the cockpit have been revised (hydraulic gauges, the auto-pilot oil circuit, not to mention the air regulators for pilots).
- The 3D of the gauges above the navigator desktop have been improved and this morning I am checking the XML code to animate them.
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If you're a "2024 only" user, please stop coming here and trying to convert us. It just ends up with the kind of tension that you get when you put a militant atheist in the same room with a "fire and brimstone" Evangelical. Each one keeps trying to convert the other and neither one will ever gain traction. I for one am grateful for developers that continue to support both sims, since I still haven't seen enough evidence to convince me that the newer one is stable enough yet. There's also the budgetary issue. Most people can't just go plop down $70 for the basic edition, much less $200 for the highest tier.
If you can't be grateful and supportive for a plane that works in your chosen platform, even without all the bells and whistles, then please just do us all a favor and stay out of this thread.
Please consider this post my wet asbestos blanket. I don't want to have to pull the switch and fill the entire hangar with foam.
If you can't be grateful and supportive for a plane that works in your chosen platform, even without all the bells and whistles, then please just do us all a favor and stay out of this thread.
Please consider this post my wet asbestos blanket. I don't want to have to pull the switch and fill the entire hangar with foam.
lagaffe
SOH-CM-2026
Tom, I don’t know if your answer is for me and if that’s the case there’s a misunderstanding, I reassure you: I’m not trying to convert anyone.
I have been developing for 6 years under FS20 and I think this platform works very well. Nevertheless, some users find that FS24 allows more things, so it makes sense to ask what the audience is in order to try to answer as many people as possible: that’s all.
We all experienced FS9 then FSX and it took some time for a large number of SFs to change. As far as I’m concerned, I still have FS9, FSX, P3Dv5, FS20, and FS24 on my disks and are operational: there is no proselytism on my part.
I have been developing for 6 years under FS20 and I think this platform works very well. Nevertheless, some users find that FS24 allows more things, so it makes sense to ask what the audience is in order to try to answer as many people as possible: that’s all.
We all experienced FS9 then FSX and it took some time for a large number of SFs to change. As far as I’m concerned, I still have FS9, FSX, P3Dv5, FS20, and FS24 on my disks and are operational: there is no proselytism on my part.
My post was definitely NOT for you. You've been more than supportive of the 2020 sim and you're the one catching grief for it. Even if I never fly them, I still try to download your offerings if only to boost your numbers.
DennyA
SOH-CM-2023
Tom, apologies if my post came across the wrong way. FWIW, I'm cohost of the Retro Dogfight podcast, which is literally about finding joy in older flight sims, so I wasn't casting judgement or trying to convert any 2020 users. Lagaffe asked a question, and I just pointed out that because of where it was asked, it was like going to a Star Trek convention and asking "Who's a better villain, Khan Noonien Singh or Darth Vader?" because of the audience makeup.
At any rate, as I said, keeping it 2020 means it can reach the widest possible group of simmers, so that's a win for everyone. I don't want to distract from Lagaffe's awesome efforts here, so this will be my last word on the topic. Just wanted to clarify that I wasn't "trying to convert" anyone, just discussing the question that was asked, and I'm sorry if I caused offense. Topic dropped.
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Back to the AWESOME topic on hand:
Now I'm going to go load up the DC-4 test version and come up with a good set of VR view coordinates to send to Lagaffe!
At any rate, as I said, keeping it 2020 means it can reach the widest possible group of simmers, so that's a win for everyone. I don't want to distract from Lagaffe's awesome efforts here, so this will be my last word on the topic. Just wanted to clarify that I wasn't "trying to convert" anyone, just discussing the question that was asked, and I'm sorry if I caused offense. Topic dropped.
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Back to the AWESOME topic on hand:
Now I'm going to go load up the DC-4 test version and come up with a good set of VR view coordinates to send to Lagaffe!
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We're good... I apologize if I came off harsh. Mike Stone was a good friend of mine back in the day and I had a flashback of all the times that people would badger him about adding more detail or a VC back in the FS8-9 days.