That is looking very nice Oleboy! 
Introducing the Avia 51
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nigel richards
Charter Member
Very inspiring
Oooh! That's a really sleek looking piece of work indeed. Is that maintenance wear and tear I spy around the cowling?
Scratch scale modeller background if I'm not mistaken?
...once a modeller, always a modeller; an eye for detail - the experience shows Sir!
From a dusty old fellow scale 'balsa basher'; Bravo Sir!
Thanks for the inspiring sounds you sent me yesterday, seems great minds think alike!
Oooh! That's a really sleek looking piece of work indeed. Is that maintenance wear and tear I spy around the cowling?
Scratch scale modeller background if I'm not mistaken?
...once a modeller, always a modeller; an eye for detail - the experience shows Sir!
From a dusty old fellow scale 'balsa basher'; Bravo Sir!
Thanks for the inspiring sounds you sent me yesterday, seems great minds think alike!
Nigel, let me know if you can do anything with those sounds I sent. My main reason I sent them, was I never dealt with sounds in one continued stream like that. I can make better in a shorter (maybe) length, although you'll still have to cut, patch, and whatever else is needed. I've no clue. And I've tried using FSsound Studio! 
nigel richards
Charter Member
Avia 12Y sounds
Well thankyou OB. Its always nice to hear from others interested in sounds.
I've never used FSsound Studio myself, so I can't be of much help there.
I prefer hand editing from scratch on each project. This allows me intimate control and familiarity - essential to how the sounds will interact and produce the required results.
Just my personal prefered method. It works well for me.
It seems you have caught me on short finals with this one.
I spent the first 7 days searching for as much genuine Hispano-Suiza 12Y material as I could lay my ears on. Then another 5, searching all this stuff for usable segments (which for many reasons often proves to be precious little - poor quality, airshow commentators, voices, other background sounds...the list goes on).
Now, after many more hours of solid work (digitally re-mastering...sometimes laborious, but always vital), I finally possess all the sounds required.
Now the creative part I love the most; fiddling, tweaking, fine tuning, adjusting:-
Well thankyou OB. Its always nice to hear from others interested in sounds.
I've never used FSsound Studio myself, so I can't be of much help there.
I prefer hand editing from scratch on each project. This allows me intimate control and familiarity - essential to how the sounds will interact and produce the required results.
Just my personal prefered method. It works well for me.
It seems you have caught me on short finals with this one.
I spent the first 7 days searching for as much genuine Hispano-Suiza 12Y material as I could lay my ears on. Then another 5, searching all this stuff for usable segments (which for many reasons often proves to be precious little - poor quality, airshow commentators, voices, other background sounds...the list goes on).
Now, after many more hours of solid work (digitally re-mastering...sometimes laborious, but always vital), I finally possess all the sounds required.
Now the creative part I love the most; fiddling, tweaking, fine tuning, adjusting:-
So I suppose you heard a little USB (ding-dong) sound in there? LOL!! My wife was using the printer on the other computer. I didn't realize that wound be recorded! Needless to say, it was. I have my recording set to pull the sounds directly from the sound card before it gets to the speakers. That way there's almost no distortion or other anomalies getting mixed in. When I first started doing it that way, I was real impressed by the recording quality when played. Like you're saying, it takes a lot of time to go out and search for the right sounds to cut/add in for the blend. That part is simple actually, well, not really. But by getting each line of sound in that means, makes it easier to blend I would think. Problem is, I don't have a clue how to mix and blend so it sounds correct. Not to mention the stuff on the sound.cfg that needs to be input by text.
Overall, what did you think of the quality of what I did? Usable? I recorded that in 96bit stereo.
This morning I spent the past couple hours getting imperfections out of the aluminum skin on the photo-real paint I'm doing. I'm contemplating using the redrawn registration numbers and stripes I made prior to that. I haven't quite got to that point yet. In all honesty, I'm starting to get burned out doing this scheme! Shouldn't be too much more fiddling with it though.
Well, you have done some awesome work on the 156 Oleboy and for that you should be proud.
nigel richards
Charter Member
Walking the artistic tight-rope
Lol! The ding-dong bit happens to me too when someone whips away the internet 'stick'.
Seems like you have a pretty good sound set up.
If you're recording from somewhere online or dvd, the sound shouldn't be coming through the speakers anyway.
The quality seems good OB, there is some distortion, but that could be scource related and not yours or your system's fault.
Having obtained good sounds, I'm afraid there's no substitute for getting hands on with the cfg. It's an awesome 'tool' which ultimately dictates the success or failure of a particular set of sounds.
Regard it as the music manuscript, to be read by the entire orchestra playing an unknown piece of music for the first time.
Re; the paint scheme - yes my friend, it's the same dilemma for all of us; Do I add, replace, remove, tweak just that little bit extra? Do I go the golden mile?
It's a fine balancing act between too little or too much. Only you can find the answer.
If its any help;
I usually reach a stage where I become highly critical of what I've put together.
Then I become angry with myself. Its a kind of barrier.
So a kind of overdrive kicks in, I push the work (and myself) harder and very often start from scratch.
Then I know I'm going to create something worthwhile!
OB, you're the artist. Trust and follow your instinct.
Lol! The ding-dong bit happens to me too when someone whips away the internet 'stick'.
Seems like you have a pretty good sound set up.
If you're recording from somewhere online or dvd, the sound shouldn't be coming through the speakers anyway.
The quality seems good OB, there is some distortion, but that could be scource related and not yours or your system's fault.
Having obtained good sounds, I'm afraid there's no substitute for getting hands on with the cfg. It's an awesome 'tool' which ultimately dictates the success or failure of a particular set of sounds.
Regard it as the music manuscript, to be read by the entire orchestra playing an unknown piece of music for the first time.
Re; the paint scheme - yes my friend, it's the same dilemma for all of us; Do I add, replace, remove, tweak just that little bit extra? Do I go the golden mile?
It's a fine balancing act between too little or too much. Only you can find the answer.
If its any help;
I usually reach a stage where I become highly critical of what I've put together.
Then I become angry with myself. Its a kind of barrier.
So a kind of overdrive kicks in, I push the work (and myself) harder and very often start from scratch.
Then I know I'm going to create something worthwhile!
OB, you're the artist. Trust and follow your instinct.
I have experienced an occasional frustration, especially with the common crashes of gmax when doing intricate things. Fortunately auto-backups and saves every 20-30 minutes saves my bacon.
Making some headway with the interior model here, nothing set in stone, just wanting to get some basics in place, all changeable.
I got a real big grin on my face after reading. Thanks
Although in my case for as many layers as I have when I do repaints. As soon as I deleted it all and started over, I'd likely become a wino and quit painting!! :ernae:I have experienced an occasional frustration, especially with the common crashes of gmax when doing intricate things. Fortunately auto-backups and saves every 20-30 minutes saves my bacon.
Making some headway with the interior model here, nothing set in stone, just wanting to get some basics in place, all changeable.
I've heard that several times before when I've been helping N2056. When it did happen (we were talking on teampseak) I could sense the tension in his tone when he spoke. I knew something went wrong. At first I kind of poked at him a little bit so he'd relax. But I learned that didn't work too well. So I buttoned my lip. LOL!
I'm really liking the looks of that interior.
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
Wonderful paints Oleboy! It's a beauty. Thanks for posting the shots.
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
My oh my. Really nice.
Oleboy,
You have done a great job with the photoreal approach. I really like that, in any lighting.
On the modeling front, I am trying to sort out an approach here between late 20's to mid-30's styles. I have a basic cockpit in place as a starting point.
I am thinking about going more narrow and vertical with the ECU stacking the engine controls for a more early 30's era look.
I do have the panels mapped and ready for gauges but not in a hurry here to do that until I decide how narrow I want the the actual gauge panels to be. I am thinking that pulling the sides inward to be aligned about with the main windows diagonal supports and pulling the pilots toward the center 4-6". I have also added kneeboards for switches and fuses,
I like the current seating as it gives a better view out the left side of the cockpit and better forward visibility.
I will redo the seat to a more traditional upscale type of the era.
As usual, I am seeking input and guidance from those interested.
You have done a great job with the photoreal approach. I really like that, in any lighting.
On the modeling front, I am trying to sort out an approach here between late 20's to mid-30's styles. I have a basic cockpit in place as a starting point.
I am thinking about going more narrow and vertical with the ECU stacking the engine controls for a more early 30's era look.
I do have the panels mapped and ready for gauges but not in a hurry here to do that until I decide how narrow I want the the actual gauge panels to be. I am thinking that pulling the sides inward to be aligned about with the main windows diagonal supports and pulling the pilots toward the center 4-6". I have also added kneeboards for switches and fuses,
I like the current seating as it gives a better view out the left side of the cockpit and better forward visibility.
I will redo the seat to a more traditional upscale type of the era.
As usual, I am seeking input and guidance from those interested.
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
Those sound logical to me. How many panel sections are you planning?
I'll be a follower of this part of the plane, and let others give their input on the subject as I don't think my knowledge is suitable to critique the era. Best I could suggest is to go with what feel right, and looks aesthetically correct for the time frame.
Concerning the pit.
Milton, when you come to a point of finalization (thereabouts) would it be possible to have the mesh/template for this area also, so I can see if I can possibly work a photo-real look to it? My reason for asking is due to I've never textured the inside of a models cockpit due to never having the opportunity to get/have the mesh. It could be fun and very appealing in the end.
Concerning the pit.
Milton, when you come to a point of finalization (thereabouts) would it be possible to have the mesh/template for this area also, so I can see if I can possibly work a photo-real look to it? My reason for asking is due to I've never textured the inside of a models cockpit due to never having the opportunity to get/have the mesh. It could be fun and very appealing in the end.
That partly depends on the width, at least 2 (split down the middle) if I narrow the panel, or possibly 3 if I stay as wide as I am now.
Two would provide for excellent gauge clarity. The kneeboard templates are part of the left and right sides.
I should be able to add any ECU gauges (fuel tank selectors) to the same templates.
Of course, I would encourage anyone who paints to do their own thing with this. It is actually much easier and simpler than the exterior.
Excellent. Thank you.