Introducing the Avia 51

So far, so good!

So Gentlemen, if I've understood correctly;

1. Milton Shupe is about to bless us with another masterpiece in engineering

2. I hope I'm correct in assuming that Tom will be giving us another masterpiece airfile.

3.That highly talented Gentleman Mr Matt 'Smoothie' Wynn will be mastering the base textures...and probably more with such a potential texture artist's dream as this prototype.

3B. Ditto the name for all work carried out on the 'gibberish' (he'll get by with a little help from his friend)

4. AndyG43 and Hurricane91 will be delving into dark corners of aviation archives, turning up the vital details needed for the project.

5. Somebody, (awefull memory for names these days) has volunteered to pitch in on the sounds.

6, (This one's a question) What incentive or enticing would be appropriate for Mr. Javis to work his wizzardry on animated aircrew for this one...Matt, have you still got that tape I threw over to ya the other day, we may have to go Greek again?

7. As I seem to be sitting it out on this one, I'll take a shot at some effects. :icon_lol:

8. Racartron! Where are you buddy? "I gotcha shine right here"!
 
Interestingly, I have not found a landing light in the pictures as I believe they were optional.

Matt, okay, do I read that as a mild interest to consider contemplating the possibility of later assessment as to whether or not to express an interest in the likelihood of maybe painting this aircraft? :)
 
i can handle the exterior if someone wants to tackle the interior... no problem there! be good to see it in some European airline schemes, as the US would have had it's fill on Boeings and Fords no doubt :icon_lol:

Ολυμπιακές Αερογραμμές (Olympic Airways) was formed in the 1950's but it's 3 founder airlines; Ikaros (Icarus), Ελληνική Εταιρεία Εναέριων Συγκοινωνιών (G.C.A.T./Ε.Ε.Ε.Σ) and the privately owned T.A.E. (Τεχνικαί Αεροπορικαί Εκμεταλλεύσεις/Technical and Aeronautical Exploitations), come 1947 there were still three airlines based in Greece: T.A.E., G.A.T./ΕΛΛ.Α.Σ. (Greek Air Transport/Ελληνικαί Αεροπορικαί Συγκοινωνίαι) and Hellenic Airlines/Α.Μ.Ε. (Αεροπορικαί Μεταφοραί Ελλάδος).

these merged in 1951 to form T.A.E Greek National Airlines, T.A.E went bankrupt in '55 and was closed, Onassis shipping took over ownership and in 1957 it was renamed to Olympic airways.... the rest as they say... is history

i think as i say most customers for this aircraft would have been eastern bloc and european and possibly asian....

.... but i'm ok to handle textures if needed :salute:
 
That's my boy! :applause:

Oooowee! Does this mean Olympic with highly polished undersides Matt?

With Milton exclusively in GMax this means real 'Alpha shine'.
 
Now, I wonder who sneaked this little appetizer onto the menu!?!

I also intend to do the Avia 156 as it is so similar so we need to also focus on that data collection and project elements.

(icon:Matt 'Smoothie' Wynn's embarresed cough:icon)

Uuum... Sir, do you mean;

"The Avia 156 was a single-engined high-wing cantilever monoplane that first flew in 1934.[SUP][1][/SUP] Powered by a Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs inline piston engine and had fixed tail wheel landing gear.[SUP][1][/SUP] The Avia 156 performed well in test flights but only a prototype was built.[SUP]"

OR

[/SUP]The Avia 57 was a three-engined low-wing monoplane that first flew in 1935.[SUP][1][/SUP] Powered by three Hispano-Suiza 9Vd radial engines and had landing gear that retracted into the nacelles of the wing mounted engines

OR

BOTH???

Either way, it'll mean an extra soundset (ed:eek:r two).

But who's counting anyway...what's an extra soundset between friends, eh lads?

Wrong! Right!... If it's the '57, I hear you all cackle; "The Hispano-suiza 9Vd is just a license built Wright 1820...use your imagination and use the Tracker sound, idiot!"

(if it is Vd I'm not touching it with a barge pole for fear of catching a dose!!!)


Nope!

Ssssh!..Be quiet..all of you! (inc. the Poles, Greeks and Czechs) Silence! (in Polish).

No half measures...it would sound totally different in this ship!...Heh! guys. where are you all going? I haven't finished yet!

'Smoothie' leaps to Mr. Shupe's defense...

Smoothie: "Cut it out! You're confusing the Gentleman. It's the first one idiot! Can't you see;
H I G H W I N G C A N T I L E V E R !

A sound person; "Yeah but it only has one engine?"

Smoothie: "He'll delete them in GMax, piece of cake!"

A sound person; "He wouldn't, he wants 3!"

Smoothie: "He doesn't care, its got the high wing layout"

A sound person; "Can't he saw them off in GMax and stick them lower down? Milton can do anything in GMax! Then he'll have 3 juicy throaty 450 hp radials"

Smoothie: "He wants inline, for a change!"

A sound person; "You're just trying to get me in trouble!"

Smoothie: "Uuuumf! For gauwds sake, he wont listen to any sense...please, tell him Milton!"




What I really wanted to finally say is this;

It's a good thing I have the time, as a sef-supporter, and am therefore otherwise 'employed'!

Unemployed? Who me? Never in my life would I ever accept that!

If ever in danger of that, I simply employ myself, stay focused, and make myself busy anyway I possibly can.
And absolutely, totally, irreversibly refuse to take life sitting or lying down.

It's a case of appreciating one's situation, then turning the disadvantages to one's advantage!
But that's another story...





Getting yourself bogged down there a bit, kiddo?

"No chance pal, I'm the prototype Landrover Defender...ya know, the one that pulls the 'others' out of it when the going gets tough!"

Niva?
"Never!"

Jeep?
"As a matter of fact no, the initial outlay has always been notoriously high, but second hand they usually return a pretty high re-sale value, and they're just like me; they just keep going on and on. That's because they were originally built using the latest aeronautical engineering technology - don't bother to look for rusty bodywork, you wont find any; they're made from aviation grade alloy!."


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Quick update: Steady progress on all fronts, reshaping, resizing, smoothing, modifying, adding, adjusting, etc. ad nauseum. :)

Also working on the flight model.

Nigel is apparently going bonkers on sounds ... {{{shaking head}}}
 
she's really starting to look great! and by great i mean wowzers!

Nigel? losing it? how can you lose what you didn't have in the first place? :icon_lol:
 
Told you so Matt! :jump:

The Chief wants me to do the Avia 57 sounds! He even shook his head in approval too (just like we do in Greece...if he had wanted the Avia 156 he would have nodded).

And he said 'going' you nugget, not 'gone!

G O I N G ! as in; "Get back to work Matt!".

Oh no you don't, turn around this minute! You're not getting another drop of ouzo until you've painted the Gentleman's aircraft! IIIIIIIIIIIII:running:IIIIIIIIIIIII
 
I did find this Avia 156 picture on the net, many times duplicated and of poor quality, plus a side view drawing.

I have come into a "private stash" which I am not at liberty to share. They are much nicer.

At any rate, once the "51" is done, the "156" will not be far behind. :)

You can find specs on Wiki.
 
Steady progress on all fronts,...

Boy, I'll say! It's looking great Milton.
Back to the library next week, but not sure I can find anything useful to you on the R 12 there. I have about run out of leads on the web, just shoes and auto refrigerant.
Have any interior photos surfaced?
 
Boy, I'll say! It's looking great Milton.
Back to the library next week, but not sure I can find anything useful to you on the R 12 there. I have about run out of leads on the web, just shoes and auto refrigerant.
Have any interior photos surfaced?

Not yet, but we haven't given up hope. {{{Fingers crossed}}}

That is great. Is there any info that you are still needing?

Definitive info on tank capacities, and anything cockpit or interior related.

The engine data talks about 16.5 gals per hour per engine, and the only tank info I have is two brass wing tanks of 16.5 gals. However the aircraft has a range of 500 miles radius. So I think I am missing main tank capacities.
 
...the only tank info I have is two brass wing tanks of 16.5 gals. However the aircraft has a range of 500 miles radius. So I think I am missing main tank capacities.

My math (and assumptions) might be a bit off, but the fuel capacity given in the Flight article would seem to be a misprint. They give the fuel weight as 820 lbs. At 7.29 lbs. per imperial gallon, that puts the capacity at about 56.24 gal. per tank. Perhaps someone transcribed the fuel consumption figures as tank capacity in error. At a 142 mph cruise, the tanks would be nearly empty in a little over 2 hours with approximately 322 miles flown.
 
Avia 156 - Hispano-Suiza 12Y engine

the "156" will not be far behind. :)QUOTE]

And a very sleek, rarebird bird she certainly looks. Certainly no slouch for 1934 either:
Maximum speed: 350 km/h (220 mph; 190 kn)
Cruising speed: 330 km/h (210 mph; 180 kn)


As I was saying to a much respected, fellow SOH member; The inline Hispano-Suiza 12Y liquid cooled engine was a French aero engine designed and developed as a standard 1,000 hp (750 kW) class engine for similar use as the RR Merlin and American Allison V-1710.
It was used by the French to power the Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 and Dewoitine D.520 among others.

Built also under license in the Soviet union as the Klimov M-100, it was further developed as the highly successful Klimov VK-105 series used to power the famous Yakovlev and Lavochkin series fighters!

Interesting engine Gentlemen, hand me a spanner, the fun begins...
 
My math (and assumptions) might be a bit off, but the fuel capacity given in the Flight article would seem to be a misprint. They give the fuel weight as 820 lbs. At 7.29 lbs. per imperial gallon, that puts the capacity at about 56.24 gal. per tank. Perhaps someone transcribed the fuel consumption figures as tank capacity in error. At a 142 mph cruise, the tanks would be nearly empty in a little over 2 hours with approximately 322 miles flown.

I agree. I will use 80 gals for the center tank and 16.6 gals for each of the two wing tanks.
 
100LL weighs approximately 6.02 lbs per US gallon ( approx 0.72 kg/liter) at "standard temperature" - defined as 15 degrees celsius (59 degrees Fahrenheit).
Its density increases to 6.4 lbs per US gallon (0.77 kg/l) at -40 C (also -40 F) and 5.9 lbs per gallon ( 0.7kg/l) at 38 degrees C (100 degrees F).

I know you mentioned imperial gallons but I think FS uses US gallons so maybe use that figure for the calculations. It's not a huge difference in any case.


Cheers
Stefan
 
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