Introducing the Avia 51
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magoo
SOH-CM-2013
Actually, the typical ventral stabilizing fin was invented in early years by Canadian Bush Pilots. I think the first one was whittled from a canoe paddle left over after the canoe lashed to the float of a f*kker (that's Fokker...) unfurled at 3500 feet and went flying on it's own. Many observers labour under the mistaken belief that the vental addition helps maintain yaw stability when a set of floats are adapted to any landplane design.
This couldn't be further from the truth, as demonstrated by our talented friend, Nigel. When a floatplane is heavily loaded, the ventral fin is designed to provide hydro-stability against propellor torque, and cross winds. He's showing how to work it in the correct Canadian bush tradition.
Now.....I hear you ask,"Why in the dickens would a floatplane pilot need a proviso-stabilizer against crosswinds, when every marine runway is a thousand feet wide, seven miles long, and always points into the wind?"
It is simple. There is a well worn Canadian floatpilot phrase that explains it all.
"Alaska's that way. I ain't turnin' inta da wind....Alaska's over der...dat's where I'm goin...." ( Cob throttle now....)
Thus....full of Moose and bear guns, forties of gas, pallets of beanz'n'bacon, or just freely loaded wet fish.....Candian bush pilots, tired of flying seven miles with one float still in the water before actually getting airborne, invented a fix. The previously described Canoe paddle was duct taped down there and the full load issue was solved. ( In the air after only five miles, cruise alt of a staggering 715 feet...Lake Winnepeg here we come...!!!)
Now...in the United States, a small flat, arid, semi-tropical territory that Alaska owns....people are concerned with both form and function. One can see how the old canoe paddle (which was totally adequate...) has been refined by American Artisan-Engineer-Designers...and these wonderful, integrated, asthetically pleasing ventral fins have become de rigueur for just about every plane bolted to floats. They've even begun screwing them onto the wingtips of giant airliner jets that only ever fly over the bush at Angels Thirty....
But you know...that's marketing and design....pay the fancy money, get the designer fin...get the t-shirt...get the matching funny sneakers with built in airpumps. Peer pressure and social expectation is like that.
Next thing you know...they come up with float bilge pumps in designer colours, bundled with an I-phone app, in non-returnable open-only-once clear plastic vaccu-packaging.
Personally I still prefer the old suckstraw and length of siphon hose, especially when old Nigel's been around, and the floats'r'full of treat. Canadian and First Nation's pragmatism dictates that the remote pier you tie up will have no fuel float. But at least you're simply equiped to pull enough gas out of that old twin-tank Fargo that hasn't left the beach in two years ('cause it won't start anymore.....) and fly back to some place with basic services. Just don't push'er over 26 lbs, unless (of course)....you've got Nigel's ouzo in the floats.
Ahhhh.....
See how good it works...?
Thanks for the setup, Nigel. Remember, in order to spill the beans, something's gotta be full of beans, first.
Matt Wynn
Charter Member
beautifully put Magoo.... "you've done it again"
very well put, just point these birds to the back country and they become an entirely different machine... they seem to guide themselves to the rivers and harbors....
personally... i'm liking the look of the shots and may have to get Tongass Fjords and Misty Fjords... Glacier bay too may be a cool place to take these beauties....
as i said oh Magoo you've done it again.... time for me to get back into the Bush flying mindset... now... who's got my AW50F and bivvy bag etc... this time? Nigel? BB? which one of you is it this time?
very well put, just point these birds to the back country and they become an entirely different machine... they seem to guide themselves to the rivers and harbors....
personally... i'm liking the look of the shots and may have to get Tongass Fjords and Misty Fjords... Glacier bay too may be a cool place to take these beauties....
as i said oh Magoo you've done it again.... time for me to get back into the Bush flying mindset... now... who's got my AW50F and bivvy bag etc... this time? Nigel? BB? which one of you is it this time?
Matt Wynn
Charter Member
man glad ya stopped me now buddy, was just cranking the engine over making sure it's running nicely....
Nigel... i think we need a new Bush strip in Greece..... the old Salt Lake on Kos was a makeshift aerodrome for British Spitfires during WWII.....
Blackbird686
Charter Member
Seems that your 'puter is scrambling up my posts here so that you can't read them... or it's scrambling what you type so that we can't read them here. Well.... It's kind of strange to hear the story about the ventral fin on the bottom of the fuse near the tail. lol
BB686:USA-flag:
magoo
SOH-CM-2013
There...see?
Spitfire...beautiful...but highly limited. Had to carry their refinments in a keg under the wing. Just like a girl in high-heels and a mini-skirt.
Dangerous...? Certainly.
But hand her a chainsaw, she breaks a nail.....looses a heel on her shoe...
Bush pilots get to carry octane booster in the floats, and in the cabin, and do so with enough volume to generate a profit and/or a party. Then you get to impress all the pretty girls with a wonderful, graceful swan-like flairing final as you run her twenty-three feet up onto a sandy beach. ( Take that St.Maartin...)
Tear open the crate of shot glasses and hand them out as you power up the designer float pump.....so cool....the beach girls will be phoning you up for dates without end.
Huh.
Floatplanes Rock.
Try that in a Spitfire.
And Greece.
Greece...!!!
It's just like British Columbia and Alaska, only better.
Heaven.
All mountains, tight valleys, ocean, and islands.
The better part...smells like sweet sage, rather than pulp mills....stays warm...and food that not only tastes heavenly, but is actually good for your health. And since the plane don't need much deicing....that stuff is saved for the pilot.
...AND........:mixedsmi:.....many of the islands have airports built like aircraft carriers....!@!!!
...I mean...have the girl watch out the window as you skim along the runway, and as you cross over the cliff and ground effect is lost, the old Avia drops five hundred feet before thundering up into a half-immelman....she'll have her arms around you so tight....
....Can't do that in British Columbia.
.....Except maybe at Lillouette....
Spitfire...beautiful...but highly limited. Had to carry their refinments in a keg under the wing. Just like a girl in high-heels and a mini-skirt.
Dangerous...? Certainly.
But hand her a chainsaw, she breaks a nail.....looses a heel on her shoe...
Bush pilots get to carry octane booster in the floats, and in the cabin, and do so with enough volume to generate a profit and/or a party. Then you get to impress all the pretty girls with a wonderful, graceful swan-like flairing final as you run her twenty-three feet up onto a sandy beach. ( Take that St.Maartin...)
Tear open the crate of shot glasses and hand them out as you power up the designer float pump.....so cool....the beach girls will be phoning you up for dates without end.
Huh.
Floatplanes Rock.
Try that in a Spitfire.
And Greece.
Greece...!!!
It's just like British Columbia and Alaska, only better.
Heaven.
All mountains, tight valleys, ocean, and islands.
The better part...smells like sweet sage, rather than pulp mills....stays warm...and food that not only tastes heavenly, but is actually good for your health. And since the plane don't need much deicing....that stuff is saved for the pilot.
...AND........:mixedsmi:.....many of the islands have airports built like aircraft carriers....!@!!!
...I mean...have the girl watch out the window as you skim along the runway, and as you cross over the cliff and ground effect is lost, the old Avia drops five hundred feet before thundering up into a half-immelman....she'll have her arms around you so tight....
....Can't do that in British Columbia.
.....Except maybe at Lillouette....
Matt Wynn
Charter Member
i really should record my runway checks and landing, less graceful... more "Hit the Deck! thats Matts Aircraft... SCATTER!" known for 1ft wingtip clearance in a bank ed break to land
i get mine by pulling G's, and if that fails, i leave the co-pilot in Charge... Nigel refuses to fly with me as i get up, fasten my chute and jump out without telling anyone
Nigel graced the Av-51 with another beautiful scheme, the "Olympic Flame".
I also had to check out the muddy waters of the Amazon in the 56.
I also had to check out the muddy waters of the Amazon in the 56.
Matt Wynn
Charter Member
....and you'd be right
Nigel won't even fly back seat in an F-16D/Block 52+/ADV. because i send him green at the gills one of these days i'll throw my vipers up to escort an Avia
Sounds like you guys are enjoying this 
For now, I am back on the Avia 57. I am eager to get this one through the production line. She is sweet, powerful, accommodating, and a pleasure to fly even though the flight model is still a WIP.
For now, I am back on the Avia 57. I am eager to get this one through the production line. She is sweet, powerful, accommodating, and a pleasure to fly even though the flight model is still a WIP.
Hurricane91
SOH-CM-2023
magoo
SOH-CM-2013
That muddy Amazon water is quite evocative, Milton. The plane looks right at home. Hard to believe it's all just zeros and ones suspended in electric ether....plus a glimmer in your eye. Just amazing.
The '57 is a most interesting machine, quite advanced for 1935. I'm keen to see it in person. I find these well done renderings go a long way to evoke the spirit and the feel of the original. Something that was impossible to even imagine when I was a kid. This thoroughly exceeds anything that I could have visualized in the future.
...And here it is.
Thanks to all you creators and worksmiths for your imagination, hard work, and generosity.
It's a real privelidge to enjoy this.
The '57 is a most interesting machine, quite advanced for 1935. I'm keen to see it in person. I find these well done renderings go a long way to evoke the spirit and the feel of the original. Something that was impossible to even imagine when I was a kid. This thoroughly exceeds anything that I could have visualized in the future.
...And here it is.
Thanks to all you creators and worksmiths for your imagination, hard work, and generosity.
It's a real privelidge to enjoy this.
nigel richards
Charter Member
Enjoying...now that's an understatement Sir
Will you just look at the photos Milton has uncovered for the '57. (you certainly have a knack of uncovering reference material Sir, heck how did you manage to get such a clean print?)
'least it'll make things easier further down the production line.
Milton, Sir - you sure know how to set-up one heck of a fishin' party!
Double Frappocino (but Guinness is also good for you)
Now...in reply to some of the dandiest sim talk I've ever had the pleasure of reading;
Magoo has straightened out the canoe-paddle tail theory beautifully, so you all must have a clearer idea on floatplane tech.
Man, here's is one fine Gentleman welcome around my fireside!
Just to add my five beans worth - that piece of metal also counteracts the 'tail blanket' effect when the angle of the stab is preventing an adequate flow of air over the vertical fin surface. The ideal 'T' tail would create more structural change than is practical hence the 'canoe paddle.'
Looks like these birds are going to get us yacking around a fair few late-night fishing camp fires, and I can think of no finer way of spending a late summer night than listening to all you fine Gentlemen.
So Matt, top 'em up, chuck another log on the fire and double rations for these fine Gentlemen.
Bravo Bravo...you got hickups?...
Bugger!
Here come our New Zealanders!...
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Sounds like you guys are enjoying this
For now, I am back on the Avia 57. I am eager to get this one through the production line. She is sweet, powerful, accommodating, and a pleasure to fly even though the flight model is still a WIP.
Will you just look at the photos Milton has uncovered for the '57. (you certainly have a knack of uncovering reference material Sir, heck how did you manage to get such a clean print?)
'least it'll make things easier further down the production line.
Milton, Sir - you sure know how to set-up one heck of a fishin' party!
Double Frappocino (but Guinness is also good for you)Now...in reply to some of the dandiest sim talk I've ever had the pleasure of reading;
Magoo has straightened out the canoe-paddle tail theory beautifully, so you all must have a clearer idea on floatplane tech.
Man, here's is one fine Gentleman welcome around my fireside!
Just to add my five beans worth - that piece of metal also counteracts the 'tail blanket' effect when the angle of the stab is preventing an adequate flow of air over the vertical fin surface. The ideal 'T' tail would create more structural change than is practical hence the 'canoe paddle.'
Looks like these birds are going to get us yacking around a fair few late-night fishing camp fires, and I can think of no finer way of spending a late summer night than listening to all you fine Gentlemen.
So Matt, top 'em up, chuck another log on the fire and double rations for these fine Gentlemen.
Bravo Bravo...you got hickups?...
Bugger!
Here come our New Zealanders!...
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Matt Wynn
Charter Member
Nigel... is it necessarily wise to trust me with a camp fire , you lot have a yack... i'm gonna go erm.... gather some erm..... snakes or erm... a bird of Prey.... yeah snakes.. (Yes, that was coded very cleverly, theres a hidden message to what i'm going to find) what rations? *nudges empty crates just out of view*
guess i'll have to go lay claim to a lakeside on the Canadian/Alaskan Border....
, you lot have a yack... i'm gonna go erm.... gather some erm..... snakes or erm... a bird of Prey.... yeah snakes.. (Yes, that was coded very cleverly, theres a hidden message to what i'm going to find) what rations? *nudges empty crates just out of view*guess i'll have to go lay claim to a lakeside on the Canadian/Alaskan Border....
Blackbird686
Charter Member
Milton, Sir - you sure know how to set-up one heck of a fishin' party!
So Matt, top 'em up, chuck another log on the fire and double rations for these fine Gentlemen.
Bravo Bravo...you got hickups?...
Bugger!
Here come our New Zealanders!...
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No mate... I don't have the 'hickups'.... (hic).... just admiring that fine paint on the '51' and fixin' to toss another lot of fish on the fire. You just gotta love those New Zealanders. Now be a good bloke and pour me another gulper.
BB686:USA-flag:
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
Yeah!Hey Nigel, that's one cool Kiwi paint for the Avia 51
But never fear, in NZ simland, we have just the place for this one.
Cheers matey